We, the admin team, decry all forms of settler-colonialism, and we recognize that Zionism is a pro-settler-colonialist position.
Therefore we propose that should no longer be accepting of any Zionist accounts on our instances.
Please upvote for agree, downvote for disagree.
Note: we only count votes by instance members of dbzer0 and anarchist.nexus, plus a few vouched-for external users.
Hi mateys, I've kept things simple in the above text, for brevity, but in fact it took the admin team quite a while to get to this stage. We have discussed the policy change extensively, and a variety of different perspectives emerged. I will attempt to sum them up below as best I can:
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The "this isn't that complicated" school of thought goes something like this: If someone is consistently posting comments that mirror Hasbara talking points (e.g. justifying the genocide in Gaza, consistently painting Palestinians as terrorists and Israel as the victim), then they should be instance banned. It's just not acceptable for Zionists to be allowed on our instances.
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The "slippery slope" / "purity test" school of thought is that banning people for having an "unpopular" political opinion would potentially mean banning half the fediverse, if more and more of these policies were enacted over time. To attempt to mitigate this we are keeping the scope of this rule as narrow as possible, and I also don't think many of our users will be affected. Also, we typically don't have frequent policy changes, and I have no reason to expect that to change moving forward.
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Another important discussion point was "how do we decide whether someone is pro-Zionist or not?" We can't always be 100% sure of someone's true intentions, we can only go on what they have posted and that is subject to interpretation. I don't feel there is an easy answer to this one, except to say that we would have to be pretty certain before issuing a perma-ban.
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The "geopolitics don't matter" school of thought is that trying to be on the "correct" side of every issue is kind of pointless because nothing that happens in lemmy chat forums will ever make an ounce of difference in the real world. Don't bother moderating users over political/ideological differences, just let people argue if they want. While I can totally empathize with this sentiment, I can also see the case for taking a clear stance on this topic in accordance with our values and the overwhelming support for the Palestinian cause among our users. Personally, I am advocating in favor of the resolution.
Please add your comments below if you want to provide your own thoughts on the topic, or have any questions.
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You left out the part where Jewish people were expelled by many countries for starting a genocide against greeks and Romans in the jewish-roman wars that left the SE rim of the mediterranean almost completely depopulated in many areas. In the midst of those wars anyone who was not Jewish was murdered for their ethnicity, and a new state of Israel was stood up and a end-times messiah proclaimed. It lasted about 2 years. And then Rome marched back in, crushed it, killed the messiah in battle, tore down their temple, and finally banished Jewish leaders from the region and forbade its practice. You make it sound like the Jews of that time were peaceniks simply minding their own business and were banished for no reason. Be honest about history.
Oh I see. So your argument is that people who are violent deserve what's coming to them when they're displaced from their homeland? I'll keep that in mind with the current conflict ๐
you reap what you sow, Live by the sword die by it, Fuck Rround And Find Out, treat others like you'd like to be treated, take your pick. Yes, keep those in mind. Its uncomplicated common wisdom to live by and will absolutely help you in the current conflict.
so then you support Israel displacing everyone after the Oct 7th attacks. they fucked around and found out.
thanks for clarifying that for us! Mods should have no problem banning your ass for supporting genocide
"displacing"? You mean murdering innocents, right?
Exactly! Fuck around and find out! They got violent on Oct 7th so according to your logic that mean retaliation is justified. You said it yourself!
Unless you'd like to change your position? Because if it's ok to kill Israeli civilians but not Palestinian civilians then you've got some serious flaws in your logic