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Sorry but the last paragraph of the parent comment is just so incredibly stupid I cant take any of this seriously.
(Dys)functional Entities by Mousah al Sadah
Yes, exactly, none of these are real independent countries. They do what their american masters tell them.
It's crazy that this line of thinking seemingly only ever gets recognized here when it's stuff like "Iran controls the Houthis, Hezbollah does whatever Iran tells them". The UAE and the KSA are countries with their own ambitions and goals separate from the US, and the US has a long history of not just playing both sides of conflict, but also keeping regional powers divided and bickering to prevent either or both from becoming more of a regional threat to US power. Or is the argument here that the US told the Saudis to sign the Chinese-brokered diplomatic deal with Iran?
The UAE, KSA, and other major economic powers in the region have all been making mad dash buy up East African assets for the past two decades. They are competing for assets and don't always just back the same sides. The Saudis are invested in Somalia and Djibouti, and have effectively pushed the UAE out of the latter. The UAE military have port access in Eritrea, but that's not as useful as having a port on the Gulf of Aden side of the strait, where they don't have to sail by Houthi positions. These countries have their own interests that can and do often clash, the same way all of these countries were backing their own pet militias in Syria. The US doesn't give a shit about who attacks who in Yemen, because the weapons the KSA supplies to their guys and the weapons the UAE supplies to their guys are all coming from the same deal: the US.
Not anymore, they got kicked out. Eritrea did a 180 since the gaza genocide. Thats why the Somaliland deal finally happened.
I know they wound down operations in Assab, but I didn't hear about them getting kicked out entirely. My understanding is that Eritrea isn't happy with them over the UAE aiding Ethiopia in Tigray and their concern that the UAE might back Ethiopia in an invasion of Eritrea to regain a port(s) lost with Eritrean independence.
The UAE actually started building the port in Berbera (Somaliland) in 2017. They (along with a lot of other countries) are scrambling to set up modern ports in the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden because it's a more logistically convenient location for East-West maritime trade than the Jebel Ali port in Dubai. So if someone can manage to set up a major port/free trade zone, they will likely control a lot of future maritime trade flow.
No they dont they are first of all all comprador classes instated and proped up by the west, without america they wouldn't last a month. Their main interest is not having that happen.
These are not real countries, they are as fake and illegitimate as the Zionist entity, extensions of it.
the chaos they cause is in us interest, the Chinese brokered deal indeed benefits the us, it normalizes and legitimizes Saudi, integrates Chinese interests with American ones, and further isolated Iran, just like the defence pact with Pakistan.
There is a scale of vassalage between us-occupied Afghanistan and the UK, both are vassal states, but the UK wouldn't last less than a month even if the us retreated at large. Again, if these governments were so weak that they needed so much us support and are so dependent on us barking orders, then America would have just annexed them directly.
The BENEFIT of having vassals is that they can act autonomously and not need incessant resource input by the Metropole. BUT that also means that vassals can act out or build their peripheral empire (which is how most empires actually came to be, as peripheral vassals who rose as their overlord declined). AND it also means there is a section of the vassal elite that wants/benefits from being a vassal. AND it also means the vassal needs to actually make sure their overlord don't neglect them (back then it was kowtowing to the emperor, nowadays it's AIPAC)
Saying that country x is a vassal and meaning they have no "agency" and everything is 43945037490234329D chess move by the american president is mechanical materialism, the same is the case with claiming the us doesnt influence these governments at all (even when clearly is fatal to their own interests, like Nordstream or Plaza Accords). DIALECTAL one foremost should think - vassals are influenced but the vassal also needs to influence.
These countries and their rules have their own interests, the same as every other country. They work with the US to the extent that the US can fulfill their goals, be that expanding their wealth, staying alive, or whatever else their hearts. And should the day come that someone else, like China, can make those goals real more than the US can, they will scurry off America's sinking ship and onto China's. Thye aren't going to willingly go down with our ship, if and when they should happen. But at the moment, the US is who gives them their wealth and their weapons. Equating them to mindless automatons who do whatever the US tells them is just Orientalism with Anti-Imperialist Characteristics.
And for that matter, do not underestimate the number of their subjects who are perfectly content with the current order in their countries, especially given the riches it has brought them over the past few decades. Theirs as many Saudis and Emeratis who are as happy with and proud of the current state of their country as their are Americans who hold the same feelings towards the US.
Actually on par, if not even higher than the foremost treatler class of the west.
These people were all installed by western interests, and serve western interests. The ruling class is completely removed from the rest of society. That's why they don't share a national interest.
China would not send troops to defend them. Without the us they are gone it would take perhaps a little over a month to see all these people hanged. They are not playing both sides, because there is no other side.
Claiming they are clever and independent, when so far we have only seen them further colonial interests, is the propaganda they tell their people and you to seem legitimate. They are not, let's not legitimize these colonial regimes.
The House of Saud is 50 years older than the United States. The start of the (current) Third Saudi State, the Emirate of Riyahd, began over a decade before the British even dreamed about arming the Arabs against the Ottomans. They won most of the Arabian Pemninsula through conquest. If anyone even could rightfully claim to have installed the House of Saud, it would be Muhammad ibn Abd Al-Wahab, not any Western states.
They are not "disconnected" from their citizens. Saudi and Emiratis are just treatlerites. They get free healthcare, free education, pensions, economic development, and stability that the Arab democracies directly bordering them all almost uniformly lack. These people are in no hurry to see a revolutionary upheaval of their countries anymore than most Americans are eager to see that in the US. They are comfortable, and comfortable people rarely make a fuss.
This is not correct. The first Saudi-Wahhabi stated was squashed into nothing by the Ottoman's Egyptian viceroy Ibraheem Pasha in early 19th century after they raided Mecca and denied Muslims access to prayer. The leader Abdullah al-Saud was beheaded in Istanbul and the whole clan was reduced to basically nothing.
The second Saudi-Wahhabi state lasted barely twenty years afterwards the Saud clan was exiled to Kuwait.
The third conquering of the Peninsula started with Abdul Aziz having no more than 40 soldiers to take Riyadh in 1902. Vassiliev outlines how on multiple occasions ibn Saud had to cry to the British to save his fledgling zionist project before the establishment of the "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia" in the 1930's, including when the British Air force saved him from rebellion by his own Ikhwan fighters in the late 1920's. The Saudi Wahhabi cartel would not control the Arabian Peninsula without the British.
Book: Alexei Vassiliev, History of Saudi Arabia Chapters 5-7
Furthermore it is absolutely incorrect to characterize all the people in the "Kingdom" as completely happy bought off. The Kingdom is an incredibly repressive hellscape for wide swaths of minority groups, especially the Shia who comprise the majority in the oil rich regions in the East. The Saudis are justifiably worried about uprisings from the people they occupy. This is precisely why they executed the martyr Nimr al Nimr.
Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr before he was executed by the Saudi-Wahhabi cartel in 2016.
Map.
Of course, UAE is just another country comprised exclusively of wealthy exploiters and has absolutely no major internal class contradictions.
Saudi Arabia another very regular normal country where everyone is bought off which is why they are executing 1 person a day on average by death penalty, many for political reasons.
The claim:
https://hexbear.net/comment/6786524
I guess you will have to explain to my why I should expect foreign residents to have an interest in Emirati nationalism such that the Emirs should be in touch with them.
Quite to the contrary, I think the Emirati underclass and rich foreign expat community is very much in line with what the treatlerites Emirati masses want: a servant class to serve their every whim and rich foreigners to do haram shit with and give them an aire of cosmopolitan legitimacy (to say nothing of the economic benefits).
TIL 2/3 of the UAE's population is from South Asia.
I'm going to reference some passages from The History of Saudi Arabia now, specifically Chapter 12, which covers the Ikhwan Revolt (not 5-7), so I look forward to you sharing where Vassiliev describes Ibn Saud as "crying to the British". All passages are taken from the US version published by New York University Press in 2000 (ISBN 0-8147-8809-2)
I think a good place to start would be covering how the British bombing and assault by armored vehicles of the Ikhwan was in response to Ikhwan raids of the British protectorates of Iraq, Transjordan, and Kuwait, without the request of Ibn Saud:
Pages 274-276.
Maybe you are referring to the regular arms shipments that the British has been sending to Ibn Saud since WWI as crying, I don't really know.
In late 1928, after tension has still not calmed down, Ibn Saud met with a new assembly comprised of various leaders of his kingdom, and offered to step down as ruler so long as another member of the House of Saud was chosen to rule. He was particularly popular with the nobility and populations of the towns and oases, who were not fond on the bedouin Ikhwan:
Pages 277-278
By the time of the Battle of Sabilla, the Ikhwan has worn themselves down to the point where Ibn Saud had a 3:1 advantage in men, to say nothing of the machine guns.
This is the event I am referencing from the book. He is quoting a primary source from someone present at negotiation. Context behind spoiler for shorter viewing.
spoiler
...your argument is that, in a negotiation with the British over borders, the pretext of which is that he has pushed his kingdom all the way to the edges of Kuwait, Transjordan, and Iraq, that he actually wanted the British to take all his Kingdom, and the British said no out of the kindness of their hearts?
Literally right after, conveniently left out:
I mean...have you ever haggled before?
Also reminder again that your initial claim was that he cried to the British asking them to bomb the Ikhwan.
You're purposefully being an asshole. Goodbye.
Edit:
Please block me mkultrawide as you have already called me a "semi-sentient telegram channel".
I encourage anyone who read this much to read this book or The Rise, Corruption and Coming Fall of the House of Saud by Said Aburish to learn more about the immense role of the British in establishing the Saudi-Wahhabi zionist Kingdom.
We get to what Vassiliev calls the second part of the Ikhwan Revolt, wherein some of Ibn Saud's allies engage in a dishonorable assassination that shakes up allegiances:
Pages 278-279
So, as far as I can tell, this passage is where you seem to claim this where "crying to the British multiple times" thing comes from. Not sure how letting the British know that the people who have been raiding their protectorates for the past few years are getting weapons from within those protectorates constitutes that. You'll have to explain.
Page 279.
Maybe buying planes and cars is what you meant by crying to the British? I don't know, I don't usually cry with my wallet.
Pages 279-280
Are you coming fusing Ibn Saud with Faisal Al Dawish? He's crying to the British for political asylum here.
I could quote the next few paragraphs, but it's a lot of "Ibn Saud chases down remnants of rebel Ikhwan and defeats them. You have the text, as well, but let me know if I should break those quotes out.
Maybe you were referring to when the British, Iraqis, and Kuwaitis considered granting the remnant rebels political asylum when Ibn Saud demanded they be returned to face punishment, before ultimately handing them over, because they thought it might be useful to have an enemy of Ibn Saud around?
FYI the user you are replying to has already described people in this thread who disagreed with OP as "semi-sentient telegram channels".
The point is that they can have their little disagreements and infighting as long as it benefits the US-israel.
There is a reason that official Ansarallah news outlets are calling this a "dangerous escalation" in the zionist plans to fragment Yemen.
If people actually read about the Yinon plan then they will understand that the zionist regimes arming opposing groups in Sudan perfectly fits with the goal of fragmenting Sudan. US-israel don't care how it happens as long as society is destroyed. And the gulf cartels along with other normalizers compete against once another within that framework in order to maximize their own profits and power projection.
The same is happening in Yemen. As long as Yemen is carved up the US-israel are happy.
The same exact game plan is used throughout Africa. The West fund ISIS groups like Boko Haram while also propping up comprador regimes that spend more time crushing internal dissent and overturning popular coups like what Nigeria did to Benin.
Thank you, This is a good explanation. These so called disagreements, ultimately serve us interests.
This is also why Israel is in the middle east and not in Germany, because it's use to the empire is to destroy the surrounding societies, either by causing as much chaos as posible or by enabling the comprador regimes such as all those other made up gulf countres
Israhell was already in the works before WW2; it even predates WW1. Creating Israhell on german soil misses practically what everyone and their dog actually wanted in that time period. It is also born out of a strange remnant of liberal zionist thought, where zionism is bad because it was done to the "wrong people" and not because it's a racist, supremacist ideology. Also helps strengthen pro-zionist propaganda because israhell as a shelter for battered victims of a massive atrocity is more sympathetic than a European colonial movement decades in the making.
It was never a historically feasible thing (look at the Jewish autonomous oblast - I wonder why that did not take off?) and only serves as a romantiszed fantasy of liberal zionist wanting a "good Israel" just like some leftist imagine a "good British empire" and a "good us" who where instriscially anti-fascist in its character because they fought nazi germany.