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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

All of the bits I quoted in my other comment were captured by archive.org FWIW: a, b, c. They can also all still be found as EA forum comments via websearch, but under [anonymous] instead of a username.

This newer archive also captures two comments written since then. Notably there's a DOGE mention:

But I can't e.g. get SBF to not do podcasts nor stop the EA (or two?) that seem to have joined DOGE and started laying waste to USAID. (On Bsky, they blame EAs for the whole endeavor)

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago

The February 2024 Medium post by Moskovitz objects to cognitive decoupling as an excuse to explore eugenics and says that Eliezer Yudkowsky seems unreasonably confident in immanent AI doom. It also notes that Utilitarianism can lead ugly places such as longtermism and Derek Parfit's repugnant conclusion. In the comments he mentions no longer being convinced that its as useful to spend on insect welfare as on "chicken, cow, or pig welfare." He quotes Julia Galef several times. A choice quote from his comments on forum.effectivealtruism.org:

If the (Effective Altruism?) brand wasn’t so toxic, maybe you wouldn’t have just one foundation like us to negotiate with, after 20 years?

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago

I was unable to follow the thread of conversation from the archived links, so here is the source in case anyone cares.

Does anyone know when Dustin deleted his EA forums account? Did he provide any additional explanation for it?

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does anyone have an explainer on the supposed DOGE/EA connection? All I can find is this dude with a blo wobbling back and forth with LessWrong flavoured language https://www.statecraft.pub/p/50-thoughts-on-doge (he quotes Venkatesh Rao and Dwarkesh Patel who are part of the LessWrong Expanded Universe).

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The bluesky reference may be about this thread & this thread.

One of the replies names Cole Killian as an EA involved with DOGE. The image is dead but has alt text.

I mean there's at least one. You could "no-true-scotsman" him, but between completing an EA fellowship and going vegan, he seems to fit a type. [A vertical screenshot of an archive.org snapshot of Cole Killian's website, stating accomplishments. Included in the list are "completed the McGill effective altruism fellowship" and "went vegan and improved cooking skills"]

(It looks like that archive has since been scrubbed, though Rolling Stone also mentions the connection)

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Two of the bsky posts are log-in only. Huh, Killian is in to Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (blockchain), high-frequency trading (like our friends at Jane Street), veganism, and Effective Altruism?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 8 hours ago

Two of the bsky posts are log-in only

if you're going to do internet research, at this point it's a skill issue. Create a reader account.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Here's another interesting quote from the now deleted webpage archive: https://old.reddit.com/r/mcgill/comments/1igep4h/comment/masajbg/

My name is Cole. Here's some quick info. Memetics adjacence:

Previously - utilitarianism, effective altruism, rationalism, closed individualism

Recently - absurdism, pyrrhonian skepticism, meta rationalism, empty individualism

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago

Sounds like a typical young make seeker (with a bit of épater les bourgeois). Not the classic Red Guard personality but it served Melon Husk's needs.