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TOS:
from TNG forward:
the lizard babies episode, however absurd, is in line with this.
Cool.
Now tell me about all the newfangled quantum slip stream, etc. that varied writers came up with since TNG in Disco and whatever. Ones that avoid the TNG warp 10 limit.
not relevant to your original claim, which was answered and set straight.
warp number higher than 10 in the TOS is not a proof of "set of writers doing whatever they felt like". (shown above). whatever technology other than warp someone came up with 30 years later can hardly have an effect on the warp number in TOS.
No, you're not understanding. Warp 10 is a symptom of the overall issue.
The rare occasional exception meant that despite the Warp 10 "limit," writers still wrote exceptions because "woah, too fast!" is still a solid Trek plot. Eventually, even the Warp system proved too confining. Wormholes were suddenly everywhere. DS9 was based on that premise. Voyager especially are where writers really pushed back against 1987 made up rules based on what seemed to make sense at the time.
So, to get back to the losey-goosey TOS era of self-defined techno babbel, the entire warp system was effectively depreciated and new systems brought in with new shows. Magical tardigrades making ad hoc wormholes and the like.
Star Trek does not have to obey laws of physics. Everything is whatever humans want it to be. Because it's scifi. It's a story, not science.
you are the one who don't understand. you said something, it was not true, i showed you why. end of story.
there could be warp above 10 in TOS and it did not contradict anything, because it was within the parameters they set.
they decided to change that in TNG and they stayed withing the changed parameters. they made one bad warp 10 story in voyager that was still within these parameters - it still did not contradict anything.
they introduced some other means in the future, like slipstream and fucking fungi drive, which are just irrelevant to the warp factor.
in fact the only one i can think of that was out of line was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_No_One_Has_Gone_Before - but again - not really relevant to my comment "warp 10+ in TOS was fine and not a contradiction"
if you are arguing just for the sake of arguing, go find another sparring partner
I'm not arguing. Everything you've just listed were invented by ST writers. Meaning that it's all fungible, regardless of the "rules" of continuity set by producers and writers. You just seem unable or unwilling to admit that human whims can wipe it all away or change it all.
Like...tell me about Klingon makeup consistency and why Disco went bananas about that. Where was the thoughtful consistency then?
of course. you are not arguing 5 levels deep in this discussion 😆
well, no.
in TOS, it was under direct control of roddeberry, since TNG, there was literal technical manual for writers to refer to.
for some strange reason, you are desperately trying to prove something that did not happen.
because bunch of parasites were allowed to parasite on something they knew nothing about. you do understand we are talking about warp speed in TNG, not klingons, and that you are like 30 years and the whole topic off with this argument, right?
My friend, you seem to have forgotten this part:
We are not takling about warp 10. You are taking about warp 10. I'm taking about the fact that humans write scifi and so there are no hard and fast rules. Warp 10 is just one example. That's the point of the comment i wrote.
Which is why I'm not arguing, I'm trying desperately to get you to understand that you've been missing the point of the conversation the whole time. Which I've corrected you on repeatedly.
So, again, I can't help but think you are unable or unwilling to hold a real conversation. Even chatbots do better at this. You are welcome to think whatever you want. All I can think is that the reason you can't understand this is by choice, or by disability. Sorry if it's the later, but there's no point in beating the dead horse into paste any more than it already is. Have a good evening.
you got that backward. you are the one who is missing the point.
i am talking about warp 10 because guess what:
i have replied to specific point and explained why you are wrong. yes, i have noticed your desperate attempts to steer the conversation away from the point where you have been proven wrong and trying to replace it with some general "it is all relative". i am not interested, you will not succeed.
yes, this is by choice. i hope you finally understand.
oh, my unwillingness to let you steer the discussion is a disability. finally losing the nerve, are we? fuck off, sea-lion.