this post was submitted on 18 Dec 2025
98 points (99.0% liked)
Chapotraphouse
14213 readers
597 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
not at a level of prominence where the Obama phone call comes. We could generate a few Sawants. Maybe some cryptocommunists at less prominent offices, but we'd all hate them because of the fundamental compromises that come with being an elected official. This is just redundant criticism of electoralism and entryism. he won an executive position, let's save it for when he's in office not accomplishing anything and it's useful agitprop.
If we support someone and get them into office, then wait for everyone to realize that that person is bad or inadequate to make criticisms, people will accurately view us as opportunists and hypocrites. Good agitprop requires people to realize that those making it have always known better than Zohran. Materialists can see that Zohran's approach is not a solution and they're right to say so.
I'm not even sure we fundamentally disagree that much on this, to be honest. You're right that entryism is a dead strategy. That's also what I think about Zohran. Truthfully I think that's all there really is to say about him on Hexbear unless he's in the news, but some people seem to disagree because I can't stop hearing about him on here and it's always arguments.
I'm tired of hearing about the mayor-elect. The fact that this always turns into a 100 comment thread of arguments is an embarrassing testament to the overall state of theoretical and historical understanding on this website, as well as its tendency towards US-centrism and at times (though not that often, thankfully) even chauvinism. If this place had a principled "line" on Zohran, these threads would still exist, but they'd have 5 comments at most.
Edit: this came out more doomer about the site than I meant it to. This place is good a lot of the time and a much better space than anywhere else online. However, there are a few persistent brainworms that have survived from all the way back in the CTH days.