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[–] bobo1900@startrek.website -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Electric vehicles are not a solution for environmental problems, not now at least, they pollute when building the batteries and, unless nuclear energy is widespread, they will be powered by coal/gas making them pretty polluting. They will be a solution only when we have cleaner energy available.

Bonus: people should stop being lazy and learn to setup a server infrastructure instead of using "the cloud". Your data are safer, you save money and give less power to gargantuan cloud companies.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Weren't there multiple researches concluding that even an EV powered by a coal plant is better for the environment than an ICE vehicle?

[–] bobo1900@startrek.website -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you tell me gasoline yeah probably (diesel generator to power electric motors is done in big ships), caol I highly doubt it.

But apart from pollution per se, an electric car used everyday would require at least 50% of a household power budget to charge (2-3 kW). If every single ICE vehicle would be immediately swapped to electric, I doubt many countries would be able to cope with the increased power consumption. That's why we need more energy infrastructure before a full switch. Or you know, less cars and more public transport.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I do like the idea of less cars, more public transport, and better power infrastructure. Can we have all 3?

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, 1/4 if microplastics (or was it plastics in the ocean) are from car tires... Tires that EVs also have.

[–] bobo1900@startrek.website 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And brakes as well. EV are, for the most part, greenqashing designed to sell you more cars you wouldn't need in a better designed world.

[–] neograymatter@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 week ago

EV's are harder on tires (generally due to increased weight), but much easier on brakes.( Regenerative braking mean the pads/drums are rarely engaged under normal usage)

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Fossil fuel also pollutes when being extracted and refined, and probably more than batteries being produced, and batteries are only produced once.

Changing your car for an EV is not good for the environment, but considering getting an EV for your next car is.

Plus, we should also migrate the power generation to renewable sources, claiming EV cars aren't worth it because power generation is still fossil in your country is similar to saying we shouldn't recycle because companies don't.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bonus: people should stop being lazy and learn to setup a server infrastructure instead of using “the cloud”. Your data are safer, you save money and give less power to gargantuan cloud companies.

If change happens here, I'm pretty sure that it's going to be in the form of some sort of zero-administration standardized server module that a company sells that has no phone-home capability and that you stick on your local network.

Society probably isn't going to make everyone a system and network administrator, in much the same way that it's not going to make everyone a medical doctor or an arborist. Would be expensive to provide everyone with that skillset.

[–] bobo1900@startrek.website 1 points 1 week ago

My "everyone" was a bit too wide I think. I'm not talking about everyday people of course. I'm talking about 50+ employees companies, that would save money by hiring a sysadmin and running their own servers. I know of companies with thousands of employees that pay millions on Azure and AWS and have no in-house infrastructure. That's how you get to Amazon running half of the internet