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[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

em dashes are typographical faffery and have always been (in my opinion) a marker of writers who take themselves, and the surface level of their style, far too serious.

just use commas, my friend

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

em dashes, en dashes, and commas have different meanings and uses

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

aren't all of them "do a short pause"?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 days ago

no.

  • comma: do a short pause
  • hyphen: connect two related concept words to loosely create a new word
  • en dash: signify a range
  • em dash: do an abrupt, possibly long, pause or signify an attribution
  • ellipses: do a trailing, possibly long, pause
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago

For a speaker/listener, yes. But for a reader, it has additional value.
I don't remember where I first read em dashes, but there were times when I felt like something didn't quite match any of the others I usually use ^[parentheses, colons (inline or list-starters), semicolons] and ended up with a feeling that putting a dash over there made sense.
I also didn't know the terminologies for these different kinds of dashes, when I started using them.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just use commas, my friend

vs.

Just use commas -- my friend

It doesn't work very well.

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

dashes cannot always replace commas, but commas can replace dashes.

thus - commas are more powerful

thus, commas are more powerful

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Amusingly enough, one use case for em dashes is a pause where a comma would be too weak — refuting your assertion.

Also, you used a hyphen.

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

not actually a hyphen, a minus (not that this matters to me in the slightest)

I'm sorry, but "the pause is too weak" sounds squarely in the area of faffery to me.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

hyphen and minus is the same punctuation symbol in different contexts, at least how most people, including you, signify the mathematical symbol.

  • hyphen: -
  • minus: -
  • en-dash: –
  • em-dash: —

so… yeah. pretty clear it doesn't matter to you since you speak authoritatively about it while being incorrect

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

you think I don't know this - I know I don't care about it

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

so… you know you're wrong, but you go around correcting people? why?

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Because they really feel they're right, and that's what matters — right?

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

it's like being an atheist and therefore not caring about the details of transsubstantiation. irrelevance.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 days ago

it's interesting you would phrase your simile like that because it seems much more like being an atheist and then having a strong opinion that the miracle of transubstantiation happens in the hindgut, even though no theology calls for that.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Or being a Tesla owner and therefore not caring about democracy

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

It's more along the lines of the comma is too weak for the pause. Likewise, there are places where the em dash is too strong for the pause.