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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 78 points 4 days ago (5 children)

also me when people accuse me of being ai slop for using em dashes just because big tech trained their models by stealing authors work.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I like to use em, but I'm too lazy to type them so I just use two regular dashes (--) which I guess I haven't seen an LLM do yet.

Its actually wild to me that people who use LLMs don't edit the output to make it look like it was not generated.

For me, the greatest giveaways are the emojis and bad formatting.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

iOS automatically converts two endashes into an emdash for whatever that’s worth

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

People who don’t know—🌝

People who know—🌚

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

just swap them out with semicolons; no one knows how they're supposed to work anyway

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Semicolons should separate related ideas; they should work as independent sentences though.

Em dashes--contrary to how most people use them--are for asides or supplementary information. I also see them used to show a conclusion--a direct response to a prior statement that doesn't seem appropriate to put in a new sentence.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Punctuation: gotta love it.

Thank goodness I was raised where etc. I was; feel like I have a handle on it.

But who knows—maybe I’m imperfect with them!

(howdid I doozie here^ pls)

Edit: Okay, just read it—your comment, I mean—and I used v2 of your em dash, so here’s v1 :)

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Best choice is to switch out the em dashes for parentheses ( even where that doesn't make any sense.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

yeah, emoji or em dashes will get you hanged around these parts :)

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago

I sometimes use semicolons when I realise I have been using too many commas and I don't feel like breaking up into multiple sentences. So, kinda like a bigger comma.
I understand that makes it wrong, though.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There was a comment that was a list of 15 items and some chud called it AI slop. Because it was an organized list?

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago

Honestly, making a list feels easier for me as a markdown user, than having to put 2 spaces at the end of every line.

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

em dashes are typographical faffery and have always been (in my opinion) a marker of writers who take themselves, and the surface level of their style, far too serious.

just use commas, my friend

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

em dashes, en dashes, and commas have different meanings and uses

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

aren't all of them "do a short pause"?

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago

For a speaker/listener, yes. But for a reader, it has additional value.
I don't remember where I first read em dashes, but there were times when I felt like something didn't quite match any of the others I usually use ^[parentheses, colons (inline or list-starters), semicolons] and ended up with a feeling that putting a dash over there made sense.
I also didn't know the terminologies for these different kinds of dashes, when I started using them.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 days ago

no.

  • comma: do a short pause
  • hyphen: connect two related concept words to loosely create a new word
  • en dash: signify a range
  • em dash: do an abrupt, possibly long, pause or signify an attribution
  • ellipses: do a trailing, possibly long, pause
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just use commas, my friend

vs.

Just use commas -- my friend

It doesn't work very well.

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

dashes cannot always replace commas, but commas can replace dashes.

thus - commas are more powerful

thus, commas are more powerful

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Amusingly enough, one use case for em dashes is a pause where a comma would be too weak — refuting your assertion.

Also, you used a hyphen.

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

not actually a hyphen, a minus (not that this matters to me in the slightest)

I'm sorry, but "the pause is too weak" sounds squarely in the area of faffery to me.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

hyphen and minus is the same punctuation symbol in different contexts, at least how most people, including you, signify the mathematical symbol.

  • hyphen: -
  • minus: -
  • en-dash: –
  • em-dash: —

so… yeah. pretty clear it doesn't matter to you since you speak authoritatively about it while being incorrect

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

you think I don't know this - I know I don't care about it

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

so… you know you're wrong, but you go around correcting people? why?

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

Because they really feel they're right, and that's what matters — right?

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

it's like being an atheist and therefore not caring about the details of transsubstantiation. irrelevance.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 days ago

it's interesting you would phrase your simile like that because it seems much more like being an atheist and then having a strong opinion that the miracle of transubstantiation happens in the hindgut, even though no theology calls for that.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Or being a Tesla owner and therefore not caring about democracy

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

It's more along the lines of the comma is too weak for the pause. Likewise, there are places where the em dash is too strong for the pause.

[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Teaching myself to stop using the em dash has been a real pain. It helps with the flow of reading particularly when talking about technical content. I've gone back to the semicolon, sadly.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

to quote david herman's michael bolton in office space:

why should i change, he's the one that sucks

[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

😂😂😂❤️