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We are witnessing the purest expression of imperial hypocrisy. For years, the US propaganda apparatus diligently constructed a fable, a so called "debt trap" mythology, to frighten the nations of the Global South away from China's Belt and Road Initiative. It was a tale of predatory lending designed to isolate and contain a strategic competitor.

And yet, what do we find? The most eager client for these very loans, to the tune of over 200 billion dollars, was none other than the United States itself. Turns out that the entire narrative was a conscious fraud. They never believed their own warnings. They recognized that Chinese financing was a credible, attractive alternative to the stranglehold of Western financial institutions.

So, while publicly sounding the alarm to scare away other customers, the empire privately availed itself of the service. Here we see the very essence of imperial strategy. Its goal is to monopolize the very resources and opportunities it denies to others, all while cloaking its cynical self interest in the righteous language of concern.

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I agree that debt trap diplomacy is bullshit. But there is special irony with regards to the U.S, all the Dollars that Chinese banks and companies lent to American private sector came from the U.S. itself. Whether by export surplus, remittances, capital flows etc. If the Chinese companies can create employment and output instead of lending to parasitic and capital intensive sectors, then it's still a win for the U.S.

I mean it only makes sense, U.S. Dollars are easiest to recycle in the U.S. Most of China's Dollars are held in financial assets, putting some of it into real assets is good for the U.S. It's unfortunate since third world countries could use the Dollars better. Most of them are stuck in foreign currency debt with currency markets that aren't very deep, China should offer them a window to exchange their local currencies for Yuan/Dollars up to a limit. Such a shame this is considered as giving 'free money', there is a hierarchy where China is unwilling to accumulate third world currencies but is perfectly fine with accumulating Dollars, Euros etc. The claim that it's because first world currencies are more liquid or because of political instability is ridiculous since first world currencies in electronic entries in books don't do much either any way.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There is no surprise at all.

Wang Jian (王建) from China Society of Macroeconomic Research, who proposed the Great External Circulation strategy back in 1987 that was officially adopted by the central government, talked about this in an interview in the early 2000s:

中国是享受到美元霸权的好处最大的国家……美国巨大的贸易逆差,是对中国产品的巨大需求, 拉动了我们经济的增长……我们现在要担心的是,美元贬值引起国际金融大动荡,美元失去国际的货币的霸主地位,没有能力继续用经常项下的逆差来拉动亚洲,特别是对于中国的经济增长的影响,这才是最可怕的事。”

China is the greatest beneficiary of the dollar hegemony… the huge trade deficit of the US also represented a huge demand for Chinese products, and spurred our economic growth… What we have to worry about now, is the global financial instability caused by the depreciation of the US dollar. If the dollar loses its global currency hegemonic status, it will no longer have the capacity to sustain its deficit to drive Asia’s growth, and this will especially affect China’s economic growth. This would be the most terrible thing to happen.

In September 2020, months after China proposed the Dual Circulation Strategy (export balanced by domestic consumption), Wang Jian reasserted the importance of dollar hegemony in an interview:

中国是最依靠美元体系的国家,因为人民币没有国际化,而欧元、日元、韩元等都是国际化货币。过去,中国一直享受着美元霸权的好处,人民币不是国际化货币,但是中国的生意可以做到世界最大,因为中国用美元结算。如果美元体系崩溃,即美元作为储备货币和结算货币的比例发生断崖式下降,比如从60%下降到30%,受到伤害最大的一定是中国。 所以在 “十四五”期间,一旦美元出问题,会对中国产生非常大的影响。

China is the country that relies the most on the dollar system, because the RMB is not internationalized, whereas the Euro, the Japanese yen, the Korean won, are all internationalized currencies. In the past, China has continuously enjoyed the benefit of the dollar hegemony - the RMB is not an internationalized currency, yet Chinese businesses can expand to become the world’s largest, because transactions in China are settled in US dollars. If the dollar system collapses, then the proportion of the US dollar as a reserve currency and settlement currency will fall steeply. For instance, if it drops from 60% to 30%, the country that is hurt the most must be China. Hence, if the dollar system encounters trouble during the 14th FYP period (2021-2025), it will cause great impact to China’s production.

Source is from Jia Genliang’s Modern Monetary Theory in China (2023)

Once you understand this, you will understand that China cannot and will not give up the dollar system, especially its hegemonic status. The status quo greatly benefited the Chinese economy and there is no reason to give up even when the US itself is threatening to end the arrangement, because China still has plenty of cards to play (e.g. rare earth export). The US will find itself unable to decouple from China.

This is also why when the US confiscation of Russia’s $300 billion foreign reserve at the start of the Russia-Ukraine war, and the Fed rate hike that caused dollar liquidity crisis in many Global South countries and spurred strong interest in many to leave the dollar regime, China has been the one that was and still is the most reluctant to abandon the US dollar. If China doesn’t want to, then nobody else can do anything about it. The Biden administration correctly gambled that China would not threaten the dollar hegemony during the rate hike in 2022.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So what's the contingency for America shooting itself in the foot? Are they planning some kind of managed collapse? How can they possibly keep themselves attached to what is obviously a sinking ship?