‘But there is a difference between recognising AI use and proving its use. So I tried an experiment. … I received 122 paper submissions. Of those, the Trojan horse easily identified 33 AI-generated papers. I sent these stats to all the students and gave them the opportunity to admit to using AI before they were locked into failing the class. Another 14 outed themselves. In other words, nearly 39% of the submissions were at least partially written by AI.‘
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Nobody was talking about using tools to arrive at objective answers. Math, at least at the lower levels, doesn't require creativity. Writing is something wholly different. When you are outsourcing your writing it no longer says anything about you. It's creatively bankrupt.
I'm not wholly opposed to AI. I realize its an inevitability. But at least in this case, especially for writing, you're only cheating yourself. So yeah, I think it is embarrassing to outsource that type of work.
that’s kinda my point, there was a time in math where approach did say something about you at the further edges which are much more standardized and route now
math in real application is much less objective than common thought would place it
outsourcing with clear intent and final control of the work saying what you intended (directly anyway) seems perfectly fine
your argument on ai is pretty much exactly the same thing my now 80+ math prof had for not using calculators or computers
The difference here is that your final sentence in your previous comment is what AI is specifically used for, not just in school but everywhere. Though I do agree that removing grades won't fix it:
The way AI is used is exactly for that reason. To turn off your brain and get the right answer without understanding the how or why - or even if there is a right answer or not. Writing and the entire breath of the arts are different from STEM in that oftentimes there is only your voice and what you want to say, and using AI largely removes your voice from the process.
It's not an issue inherent to AI in this regard, but AI definitely exacerbates it by making it much easier. Let the robot tell you what to think and what the correct answer is.
When I was still doing math in school, they wanted us to write out the equations that we used to get our answer and most teachers would give you partial credit even if you got the wrong answer as long as they could understand the logic of how you got there, because the point wasn't to get the answer right so much as to prove that you understood the concepts. And even then, it was constantly drilled into us that getting a good grade was the only thing that mattered. The rote memorization and regurgitating the desired answer for every test in every subject practically killed my love of learning. It took me years after getting out of school to realize again that I actually did enjoy learning new things. AI simply allows kids to regurgitate the correct answer faster and more efficiently, with less effort on their part. It's Cliff Notes without even having to look at the Notes part - just ask Cliff to write your answer for you. The way school is set up unfortunately outright encourages this thought process.
The modern school system was created partially during the industrial revolution in order to churn out factory workers who could repeat a rote task day in and day out. It wasn't created to make free thinkers and inspire creativity, and how we use AI reflects that. There's no desire there to put in the effort to say what you want to say or an enjoyment of the process (which is a major thing that a lot of artists enjoy about creating - the process can be even more important than the final product), only the desire to obtain a "good" product, whether that's a good grade or something else like Gen AI images to post for Twitter likes.
agree with everything you’ve written here
grew up in a poor area, mom was a teacher where we lived through ‘no child left behind’, having gone to a rich kid college and seen what the other side learns like it’s pretty eye opening
not everyone is taught like they are a cog