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Was scouts supposed to ge about fostering “masculine” values ever?
I never did it, but I always thought it was about learning useful skills and confidence, appreciating nature (leave the camp cleaner than you found it) and learning how to work towards your goals.
Those things are not inherently masculine. They’re for everyone.
Yes. And growing up in NY my experience with them was a lot less toxic than what some people here are describing, so it really was pretty much just about that.
Yeah, I'm from Jersey, and similar to you it was just a thing for boys to do. There was no homophobia, we accepted from the weird kid to the sporty kid, and eveyone in between, and sometimes there were cliques and sometimes we whittled soap. We went camping sometimes. There was fire, yeah, that seems to be ubiquitous among the boy scouts.
I stopped when I got bored. There were no scandals.
Yeah, as far as I know, none of the boys were being victimized by the orthodontist scout leader, and there was no serious religious aspect. Most of the kids were probably from liberal Jewish families who went to temple mainly on the high holidays, regardless. I quit because the camping trips kept getting cancelled, and that was the main reason I enjoyed it.
Christ, why can't we just have normal things that are what they're supposed to be, without wackjobs corrupting it?
I think we can and do have normal things. I feel like exposure to mass media brings problems right to your door, and it just isn't how it is. At the same time, there is a bit of responsibility that falls on your (my) shoulders to be involved. I certainly won't stand by while some bullshit is going down especially bullshit that my kids are exposed to. I will let kids be kids, but I won't let them be poisoned with negative, fearful nonsense.
And so yeah, my response to much of the crippling depression that's blasted at us over the past 10 years has been to stick my head in the sand. And people here will chastise me for this, but I refuse to take on global problems when I've got things right here that need my attention. I know this isn't exactly what we're talking about, but I come to Lemmy to philosophize.
Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.
Nope, nothing in there about masculine.
Ugh, I still remember that whole list by heart. I did and do take issue with "obedient" and "reverent." Question authority.
so you don't thing women should be any of those things?
I'm honestly not clear if this is a sarcastic comment or not.
For myself - those all seem like gender neutral virtues, viewed separately and together. I don't know that I agree with each one as a virtual, but I don't see anything that would or should apply to one gender more than another.
yeah, it was a mean spirited comment, I just get pissed off when positive traits get gendered. all of these are good things for people to be, doesn't matter the gender
I'd say, as far as being distinct from the Girl Scouts, that the two groups had basically identical values and goals. Boy Scouts maybe leaned a little heavier on the camping and knot tying and outdoor skills, but both were mainly focused on building good character, community service, basic life skills, etc.
Like ten years ago, Girl Scouts in my town had a civil war, because they were leaning too heavily on “girl”activities. A bunch of the girls defected to Boy scouts to do “more fun activities”
It was mostly about setting things on fire in my experience.
It was created as a paramilitary organization so kind of?
This is the right take