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My theory: they dont... I'm pretty sure some of the time they know what they're doing. They don't care. They're in it to cause people pain. There are thousands of videos to prove that. There's videos of them just showing up to houses and claiming the neighbors made a complaint, and then breaking the peoples constitutional right and going in.
So at this point, I don't buy it, but it helps give them an out, so they keep repeating it.
Wow, you are delusional. This isn't to say cops don't have big problems. They have major oversight problems but to suggest even though its not unfair to say some cops are sadistic but to imply they are serial murderers who will for funnies kick in a random ass door to shoot and kill everyone inside is a bit too absurd. They would at the very least need possible deniability since it will be discovered in discovery of the case.
Edit: The logical answer is the cops are given the incorrect address, its a game of literal telephones usually involving high intensity situations where people may not be easily understood or have the time to talk. If you ever worked for a call center, you would know call quality can be fucking garbage even at the best of times.
ACAB
There are literally videos of training that cops get that talk about the "amazing sex" after killing someone.
It's not in any "official" training program, but an outside contractor who gives seminars that police departments pay for. (which sort of makes it official, just in an off books sort of way)
Yes, yes the warrior mindset training course, of seeing the common person as an enemy. One of the many problems I alluded to cops having. Again cops have many problems and realistically its partly because they are human. This typically isn't a problem for many organizations, well it is but its more on an individual basis rather than collective unless you discount the higher ups and middle management (but that is its own can of worms), but back to my point its not a problem because the offending parties fucking get fired/charged for this shit. Cops for some reason help each other out and since they are the enforcement branch of the law, they get quite a bit of wiggle room, which is stupid. I just think its delusional to think cops are mass serial killers when realistically 10-27% of cops ever discharge their firearm in the line of duty outside of the range (in the US). Many cops are fucking dickheads but I just think that past user is a bit delusional. Again policing in the US has major problems but we can't lose sight of the fucking facts that most cops have never fired their weapon and probably even fewer have actually killed someone (justly or not). We as the people just want the people who fuck up drastically to be punished, so ACAB is merely a statement of the criticizing the organization rather than all the individuals inside it.
Not all of them are serial killers, but there are definitely serial killers on police forces, and they're almost never arrested for it.
The other cops protect them. They might even join in on a racist beating or two, or they might look away and keep quiet to protect that thin blue line, either way, they're all bad apples. Because that's what happens when you leave one bad apple in with the rest, they all go rotten.
I, for one, don't want "bad guys" to be murdered out of hand. I don't think the police should have that power, I don't think the government should have the power to kill its citizens at all.
Police officers should be required to live in the neighborhoods they patrol, and should have third party oversight boards with the power to charge police, and only police, with crimes.
I agree with most of what you said but I disagree here. Like I would love for it to be easy to subdue "bad guys" but taking down someone non lethally and without any other major risk factors involved while subduing them is a bit unrealistic, primarily when they are armed(either with a firearm or any other kind of weapon). I want to see every "bad guy"(or man who isn't even involved) see their day in court but we don't live in a fantasy land where you can knock someone out without any ill effects like in the movies. Like many of us are talking behind a screen, there is a major problem with cop training and I 100% support them having to train far more but we have to keep in mind death can come in a fraction of a second and people are going to be on edge because of that. Again I already brought up my problems with the warrior training since they do heavily focus on this aspect and its way too focused on, they seriously see footage of cops hesitating and getting killed, so they program cops to always be afraid of every interaction but I just don't think we should completely discount death can come in a mere moment. In America, there are literally more guns than fucking people here and that is part of the problem.
That attitude of "sometimes they have to" is the reason why there are serial killers on police forces in the US.
There are literal gangs in the LA SD. They have tattoos based on how many people they've killed, and they get away with that shit because "sometimes they 'have to'" .
So no. If you kill someone as a cop, that's it. You're no longer a cop.
If it was actually justified, you get counseling and job training for something else, or maybe an early retirement in rare cases. If it wasn't, then you go to prison for murder.
Also, don't arm the regular cops. If you need a gun, you can check one out, or get it out of your patrol car's locked compartment.
Cops should be given zero trust in this, because they've always instantly abused that trust.
They absolutely do not most of the time. They usually get put on paid leave, the police union circles the wagons around them, and if there is an inquiry, they get let off.
I think you are missing my point. My point I will say was rambly so I will give you that, but it was saying people who aren't cops typically suffer consequences for their actions ie you cuss at a customer, you will likely be fired even when you are probably in the right. So I agree with you. The is the problem with cops in the US, almost 0 oversight.
Its not great but I will say its hard to say if they were really aiming at her or they just sort of continued to mag dump on the husband. The Glock 22 is the most common pistol for law enforcement. Standard mag capacity for one is about 15 bullets. There are 3 officers so 45 bullets in total assuming these aren't reduced size magazines and if they were you might see 10 round mags with one of their pistols already having a bullet in the chamber which would total about 31 shots. Which by looks of the total shot count, which makes me believe this may the case.
Edit: Without body cam footage, its hard to say what truly transpired but I don't think its hard to believe a person who was in the general direction where the bullets were landing will say she was being fired upon but she may not have been target. The complaint was written in this way but at the end of the day it is a story that is based on memory, human memory is a very unreliable narrator. I can't fault her if she didn't remember all the details properly since she did go through a rather traumatic event in many ways. Don't take this as me saying the cops are in the right since no, they fucked up super hard. An innocent man is dead, a woman is husbandless, and their children are fatherless. There are so many ways they likely fucked this up. Hell she may even be right about every single detail but at this stage, we just don't know the full story. Its just 2 different statement without any extra evidence to back it up until body cam footage gets released, which will likely be seen via discovery in the lawsuit.
But the footage is there, that is likely why the reporting on this has been so much less "speculative"....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX5AnYvwR9w
Well the article doesn't link at all any of this, yeah it does make this pretty bad.
But if they got the right address and shot the shit out of whoever was there, then it would be A OK? The wrong address is just the incompetence cherry on top of this story.
I mean what is worse? Someone who has nothing to do with this dying horrible to a person who is possibly involved in domestic dispute possibly getting shot to shit. Which isn't good but at least one has some degree of correlation between what sparked the event than it being a pointless endeavor. Again part of the problem is how abundant guns are in this country. You have a right to bear your arms as the constitution says but the reality is if a fucking cops has a scent of a gun on your ass, chances are the encounter isn't going to end well for the citizen. I'm not saying its right but it is the reality of the situation. So no it isn't okay but having a completely non involved party die makes this 10x worse.
Did you miss the fact that they shot at his wife 19 times too? That would have solved the domestic dispute, I guess.
They also shot at the wife, 19 times. In what domestic dispute situation would killing both parties be considered not a colossal failure?