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If the overdose rate in the population is that high, what percentage of the total population are drug addicts?
The peak opium addiction rate in China that I can find is 4.4%.
the term "addict" as a noun is not really useful or modern. there are broadly speaking 3 different things you might be describing:
substance use disorder - is the persistent use of drugs/intoxicants despite substantial harm and adverse consequences to self and others.
dependence - a physical change in a person's body chemistry whereby they must consume a drug or else they will go into a withdrawal which far exceeds any problems the drug may have been treating or mitigating.
people who use drugs who are neither dependent nor having SUD - this is the majority of drug users by a wide margin. they are very vulnerable to overdose, especially once the drug supply became so toxic.
an individual drug user can experience one or any of those in varying degrees. "addiction" is used by the healthcare industry and colloquially to describe one or any or all of the intermingling and subsequent lifestyle adaptations. but it is also mixed up by criminalization of racialized and poor communities in such a profound way as to make disentangling almost impossible.
"addict" is considered a regressive term because it essentializes a person to one aspect, of which the label assignment is substantially based on their class position. it's like asking "what percentage of the total population are criminals?"
so there is no way to answer the questions without clarification on what it means. depending how you count, it varies wildly.
Fair. Would you prefer antisocial drug dependency?
What I'm trying to say is drug use that is biologically driven at a level that it is antisocial and harmful to society. You can take from that classism, or you can take from that an honest appraisal of a certain section of society being hooked on something in a way that is not only damaging to themselves but damaging to the working class as a whole.
I do not believe all drug use can or should be completely destigmatised. Access to care absolutely should be but part of encouraging people to resolve these problems is preventing normalisation, particularly in local subcultures where groups of people normalise or create cultures around it that are incredibly harmful locally.
Literally fighting a drug battle in my area currently, which is one of the poorest in the UK.
Putting aside whether I am being too blunt/cold or not and thus potentially harmful to some drugs users my question still stands, I would very much like to know what the scale of this problem truly is.
Well I guess it depends what you are describing exactly but in my observations, most drug use is pretty darn social. Drug users are some of the least atomized in the modern day especially when the drugs are illict. Also since the term "dependence" does have a specific meaning (being a physiological state) it might not capture what you want to describe. Like if people are doing any kind of binge use, they aren't dependent. But it can create a lot of issues.
I've heard the term "chaotic drug use" from harm reduction people.
To quantify it, you could look for wastewater studies. For UK on a quick search in found this https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wastewater-analysis-measuring-illicit-drug-consumption but it hardly contains any info. It might be published in academic lit somewhere with more details. Try web search with your city name + wastewater drugs.
It's not social when it adversely affects anyone in the area that is not a drug user, it's explicitly antisocial. It drives away people who want to live normal lives and turns entire areas into areas where people are completely self destructing, it also attracts other forms of crime. Have you actually lived in an area with a drug problem?
We are talking about two completely different things I feel. Functional working drug users are relatively harmless, I am not talking about that.
You think I'm talking about hipster snuffing some coke or taking pills for special occasions. Nope. In answer to your Q, yes.
But I gotta admit awoo I'm surprised if you are totally relying on epistemology of experience?
Thinking maybe are you using the term "anti social" like this? https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/crime-and-policing-bill-2025-factsheets/crime-and-policing-bill-antisocial-behaviour-asb-factsheet
I'll say my understanding/use is more individuated as in "do you talk to people" like a shitty Nazi gang is not "anti social" if they are social with one another and their recruits. To me the idea of being "anti social" is more form then content. Anti social being isolated and alone. Using "anti social" to disparage people you don't it like is...idk weak eh? What's it mean
Yes. That's pretty much how you'll hear anyone in the UK using it, it's the common idea of what is activity that harms the average person living in an area vs what does not. Prosocial behaviour would be activity that actively benefits the people of an area in contrast.
Your typical antisocial household is either a specific family of unemployed troublemakers, that daytime drink and often get into local violence. This can be the kids of the family or the parents themselves, sometimes both. Or it can be places that have become drug hangouts, often a small council house or flat where dozens of people from the local area come hang out and take drugs. These places start of mild but often (but not always) deteriorate over time into much harder drugs, if then left to themselves this spreads around the area because nearby neighbours that disapprove of it are driven out of the area. Dealing usually then occurs. The issue spreads.
The "antisocial" here is not at an individual level, but at a collective level. Antisocial to others collectively in the local area. The people in the specific drugs-problem area can all be very social with one another, but it is antisocial to the average person trying to live a relatively normal (by social standards) life.
Obviously none of this applies to the well-functioning drug users where it has not become the central point of their lifestyles.
This is an interesting difference in language choice. I wasn't really aware that the phrase isn't used the same way elsewhere. We have lingering elements of collective mindsets within society that I wasn't even aware differ I suppose. I am painfully aware of just how different British culture's views are to the poor, homeless and needing compared to America though. The default attitude here is that it's not their fault. The default attitude in the US appears to be gas chambers for them... At least from the impression I get online.
One thing you have to understand about British culture I suppose is that we'll be quite blunt and use the word "addict", even recognising that these addicts are fucking assholes, but that doesn't mean we consider them to be at fault for their problem, or that we don't think they need help. There's a certain element of honesty in the language that I like, a desire not to mince words around issues. I can totally understand how the american perspective might be to assume someone using that language would want the worst for people in those conditions though. We have quite a large amount of cultural differences between the UK and US that often don't get examined much and can cause issues or misunderstandings in conversations like this one.