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I know there's probably no understanding it, but it's keeping me up at night. When prompted with "what are your pronouns?" chuds will often reply with that they have no pronouns. But then if asked if they can be referred to as he/him, they're fine with it. Plus being fine with using me/you/I etc. I've even heard them say they don't consider he/him/she/her to be pronouns.

I mean I kinda know what it is but I'm not gonna ask a chud to confirm. I think it's these things:

  • Confusion between very typical pronouns such as she/her with neopronouns like xi/xir.

  • They've literally never been asked for their pronouns before so their minds can't process the question. They only know that pronouns are those things that trans people use, so they have an immediate kneejerk reaction to reject the concept entirely without consideration.

  • Confusion between the concept of pronouns and gender identity

  • Misunderstanding of the concept of a pronoun mean something more like "identified pronoun"

I seriously hate these people so much by the way. Obstinant, stubborn transphobia is a fucking plague and I'm very pessimistic about the idea you can simply argue them out of their mindsets. They're completely stuck because they want to be stuck, and they don't even want to know what they're mad about. May Allah have mercy on their eternal souls because I have very little sympathy for them

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[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 24 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

what-time-is-it I’d fully support removing it.

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I’m with you actually, because in practice people won’t only use proper nouns, they’ll just use they/them anyway.

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

they’ll just use they/them anyway

Hopefully, but still not often enough. Far too common to see people default to he/him still when they don’t know.

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That also, which is even worse

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Haha, well, I certainly fell into that one by being too focused on the cis people who won’t bother to select something beyond “the default”. I’d love it if it could be replaced by some capability to better define nounself and nameself pronouns. Just please give me 5 forms.

[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
[–] reader@hexbear.net 13 points 17 hours ago

It is specifically not supposed to be for opsec, there was a whole struggle session about this years ago where people were arguing we shouldn't mandate pronoun tags and I think at the time the account creator made you pick, but when we federated it went back to just having a default value.

I think we should have none/use name, but change the default to they/them to piss off transphobes, make people explicitly go in and change it to none/use name if they want that.

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Choose wrong if you’re that scared of people actually knowing. Plenty of other options available.

[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 11 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

tbh i would rather use they/them not because that’s what i use in real life but because that’s what’s most natural to me when referring to someone on the internet whose gender you don’t know. but if i pick that i feel like i’m stealing they/them valor so i went with none

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 12 points 17 hours ago

You can just use it. If you want to just use it.


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘤𝘢𝘵. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] Texas_Instruments_TI_69@hexbear.net 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Stealing valor is cool, though

not from oppressed ppl tho

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I certainly can’t speak for everyone, but I think they/them is a great default and I have no issue with people using it online but not irl.

[–] ea6927d8@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

What is your problem with it IRL?

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

i read it as:

"i have no issue with [people who use they/them online while using other pronouns irl]"

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I’m still not following how what I said got interpreted differently - this is exactly what I was saying.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

If you insert a comma, you might be able to see how it can be interpreted as you saying "I'm fine with online, but not irl"

have no issue with people using it online, but not irl.


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘤𝘢𝘵. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Haha, I still needed to read this multiple times to parse it as “me talking about my pronouns” instead of “me talking about other people’s pronouns” 🫠

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"i'm fine with [X online but not offline]"

vs

"[i'm fine with X] online but not (fine with X) offline"

[–] ea6927d8@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

I read it as the latter, but now I understand what their intention might have been.

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@hexbear.net 4 points 17 hours ago

Huh? My only problem with it IRL is when I get gendered by people, especially the ones I’ve explicitly asked not to use other pronouns.