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It doesn’t get more pathetic than this.

Oh I disagree that the Democrats won't be more pathetic than this.

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[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It’s probably a move to appease the corporate donors. I believe it kicks the can for the shutdown to be next year since it’s pretty much guaranteed to happen again.

Dems made them promise to put those ACA measures back in next year. They can light a fire under Republicans during midterms if they don’t stick to their word and there could even be another shutdown which would tank Republicans at the polls.

It was a weak move to cave this time around, but there’s a lot of room to demand even more when it’s right around midterms.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dems made them promise to put those ACA measures back in next year.

They got Thune to promise a separate vote in the senate on the ACA credits, probably in December. Even if that passed in the senate, Johnson won't schedule a vote on it in the house. And if by some miracle it passed the house, Trump would just veto it.

It's nothing. It's absolutely nothing. At most they got Republicans to vote against ACA credits specifically, which is nothing compared to other shit they've already voted on, and will be far less effective than letting them take the heat for the shut down. The fact that they were willing to prolong the shut down just to kill the ACA credits says a lot more than a simple vote would.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even if trump were to sign it, enrollment ends on December 15th, so agreeing to hold a vote in December basically guarantees people will be hit with higher premiums which is what they were fighting to avoid.

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Blue states need to implement their own public healthcare options. The longer we rely on the Federal government for it, the more likely it gets taken away at this point in time. People living in Purple and Red states will be the ones demanding it if all the Blue states are not even using it.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It all makes sense when you realize moderate Dems want what Trump is doing.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dems made them promise

Can't trust the promise of liars. They threw it all away for a promise of a vote that will never fucking happen.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

The vote will probably happen, it will simply fail.

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If Dems are smart they would use the failure to deliver on that promise by Republicans and the possibility of another shutdown to pass positive legislation leading up to midterms.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This was the only leverage dems had for this congressional budget year. They gave it up for a vote on a single concession, which will be voted against.

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Corporations likely came in requesting things to open back up else a lot of the corporate donor money would stop. It was not a good move to fold, imo, they likely are aiming to make this a next year’s issue.

If Republicans vote against the concession then that will make even Republican voters upset, since so many people depend on having lower health insurance premiums via the ACA subsidies.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago

That's not going to happen, republican voters will support their candidates opposing the opposition.