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This person above me literally thinks that people are willing to go through with making permanent changes to their bodies just to cheat at sports or be pervs in bathrooms or some shit and not to, you know, have their body match who they really are more closely.
At the time when Oscar Pistorious was competing, there was an actual conversation around the fear that people would get their legs amputated so they could get prosthetics like he had if it would gain them a competitive advantage. No one actually knew if his prosthetic legs gave a real advantage because there was no way to do a comparison without having a real athlete go through the amputations.
If you look into the scene around body building and the extreme lengths people go to with steroids, extreme diets, dehydration and more, it doesn’t seem all that implausible that some people would transition in order to gain a competitive advantage. Heck, some people deliberately get their legs broken in order to stretch out the bones just so they can be taller (no competitive reason). That’s an extremely painful process undergone for less extreme reasons.
Jesus Christ don’t put words in my mouth! See what I wrote, I never said it was the main reason they transitioned. I don’t even get how would you relate my comment to bathroom pervs.
Any arguments related to sports performance, which was my main point?
Or maybe trans women athletes just want to ... compete in athletics? If you look at how successful the extremely small number of such athletes are, you will find that they succeed at completely normal rates.
Someone once pointed out to me "Oh but what about this one?" to which I replied, "Ah, so trans women athletes are only a 'problem' when they succeed."
tl;dr: Go fuck yourself.
Any data you can throw at me before hurling insults? I find it hard to believe that their performance is on par with their female peers, specially in contact sports.
I thought you did research. Must have been too hard for you.
Is it unreasonable to ask for your research, when mine contradicts yours? Specially with the confidence you stated your facts.
Apparently, since you never did. Do I just need to use small words for you, so you can understand what's being discussed?
There is no actual advantage, they are restricted from competing for 2 years after transitioning, and any advantage is already lost during the first year.
Basically, the problem was already solved decades ago. Since that 2 year period was implemented, there has -provably- never been a case of unfair advantage. Any of the ones hitting the news lately have all been disproven.
Anyone still trying to push for it now has not actually looked into it and believing disinformation spread by, at best ignorant people and at worst hateful people.
No one transitions with regards to how they will perform at sports. People transition for themselvrs, and some percentage of people also like competing at sports. They don't want to never be able to compete again due to random unrelated or unaffected people not knowing they don't have an advantage.
That is why people that say dumb stuff like you are doing, get downvoted. Please actually look it up, instead of just guessing and being another spreader.
Been wondering about this! Sure age of transition doesn't play a factor, even after 2 years? I can't see how a teen transitioning isn't different from an older man transitioning.
Here's a study from 1997 about HRT and bone density, it's about cis women though, I'm guessing youll advocate for post menopausal women to be banned from competition too?
although I presume you can't read
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378512296010985
If people are explicitly transitioning for that reason, sure. They transitioned years ago and have worked through the actual process of training in a sport they love: fuck them, I guess. A woman that has too high levels of natural T: Get outta here! Someone complained that you are cheating: hit the road!
This is the rhetoric that right wingers push, and is just a dangerous fucking road to travel.
Seriously. Imagine thinking that someone would put themselves through that kinda endocrine disruption, societal scrutiny/isolation, just for a trophy. I'm assuming from context clues homie said something along the lines of "what about dudes that transition so they get a competitive edge?"
Ignorant, hateful, ignorant, fearful, ignorant.
Just, really shitty and deeply misinformed.
Probably don't talk about people's transitions if you have no clue what you're talking about. Thanks!
Thanks for your prompt but superficial comment! I’ll give it the proper consideration!
Don't bother. You have no idea what you're talking about. The advantage you assume exists doesn't. There's no deluge of trans people overtaking cis people at any sport.
You're fear mongering about shit you don't understand remotely. Shut the fuck up.
Do some fucking research then.
No.
If you knew any trans people you would realise just how fucking stupid what you wrote is.