Material conditions. Most of us became socialists because we experienced injustice at the hands of capitalism. Hunger, homelessness, discrimination, exploitative work, colonialism, and so on. But when we become parents, if we are good parents, we protect our children from these things. They grow up well-to-do, not having to work in high school to put food on the table. They have health care, education, clothes, and a roof over their heads.

Thus, they do not experience capitalism first hand. They only reap the benefits, like many people in developed countries. Their class interests change from the class interests of their parents. Notice how Fred Hampton Jr. and Tupac Shakur remained committed leftwing ideals? Their class interests didn't change the way Pete Buttigieg's did. They are/were still black in a racist society living under de-facto apartheid. Pete, on the other hand, got to go to an Ivy League school and join the military.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

if I ever have kids they're 100% getting a job from 18+, before going to college

"oh that's cruel how bourgeois of you" look I'm sorry but I feel like I fucked up college because I didn't go to class and do homework and I think that I would have not done that if I were a few years older and knew how much a lifetime of retail or food service drudgery absolutely sucks, and I know that me telling a kid "yeah this shit sucks, waking up at 8am for class is fucking easy you loser try getting up at 5am every day to go drive 30 minutes in to a job that will never pay you what you are worth (every job)" isn't going to result in them learning that same lesson as intimately and also $30,000 of debt to learn "dropping out of college and working really sucks" is a very expensive lesson

anybody aghast that I might call a kid a loser don't worry, I'm not having kids

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Depends on the kid. Attending university was a big step for my own intellectual development, done on my own terms and outside of the influence of my family. Certainly wasn’t a direct path to where I am today (it never is) but the neat thing about materialism is that it asserts itself like a law of nature

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

did you have a job beforehand though? what if you did and appreciated it EVEN MORE

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope, straight to uni although I worked some during

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

you'd probably be like 3 times more communistic if you worked a terrible menial or service job before going though like I bet you'd have ate up that educational material to destroy the bourgeoisie

that's my belief at least but also I think people shouldn't be parents and children should be in the care of trained, motivated professionals with the most research possible to back up positive childhood development because tbh it's kinda wack that two random people with no knowledge, skills, education or qualifications can just like have a whole person to raise and mold (but nobody needs to tell me how this could be twisted for weird ass fascist eugenicist purposes, it's still just like, weird to me, idk y'all. Like it's even weird to have a person raise a dog when they know nothing about dog training, there are people less motivated than those dog owners who are raising entire people, it's just... yea

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also thank you I had no idea Fred Hampton had a son. Jesus christ, he was born less than a month after his dad was murdered. It sounds like he was also targeted by the cops and framed for shit. It also looks like there's a cool looking movie about his dad that he and his mom consulted for (Judas and the Black Messiah)

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm surprised that movie even got made. They don't white wash Hampton or what the FBI did. Then it won an academy award. I do have to question who the Academy thought was the main character, though.