Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital).

What the fuck is this shit? Israel is literally in the process of committing the worst genocide of the 21st century and now we're getting mod-sponsored hasbara that Israel has no agency and it's all just America?

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I had let it go after the last one despite only calling multiple times for something to acknowledge the tendencies which I can only really regard as Jewish supremacist ('the Jewish Israelis can't be guilty of doing things aside from the US empire, otherwise it's ZOG' has to carve out some space and I can't imagine why else other than Jewish supremacy)

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think the mods are "Jewish supremacist", they're afraid of Hexbear looking antisemitic in the eyes of people who don't distinguish between anti-Israel sentiment and antisemitism. It's a silly concern IMO since those people already hate Hexbear for being "tankies" and actual antisemitism has always been a bannable offense.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Yeah I don't intend on accusing anyone of "being Jewish supremacist" just that a tendency to tacitly accept some arguments based in it has occurred. That includes overprotection against anti-Semitism relative to other biases (by overprotection I mean protection against things not actually anti-Semitism so 'overcorrecting', not the zeal with which protection is done)

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Two parties (America and Israel) can be guilty of genocide picard

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago

Do you even believe two parties exist? Because you just said that Israel is "entirely controlled " by US intelligence, a group which is famously bad at controlling their various proxies.

This whole thread is starting to feel like isntrael where mods decide that Israel gets special treatment because the reality of what Israel is doing is running a little close to old antisemitic tropes (nevermind that Israel = Judaism is a Zionist idea in the first place).

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

this is just bad analysis and it's an incredibly uncharitable interpretation of a better analysis. israel commits genocide because it's in america's interest. america just recently pulled the leash because they started messing with trump jr's business partners. it's not often you get such an obvious show of any underlying power dynamic, which is why it confuses me that this is the issue hexbear chooses to have a struggle session over

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

israel commits genocide because it's in america's interest

Did you willfully ignore everything you knew about Zionism when you wrote that?

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 22 hours ago

sorry, let me clarify. the zionists are allowed to commit genocide because it's in america's interest. they are accorded the resources necessary to exterminate an entire population, to spread propaganda, and to educate new zionists specifically because it is in the material interest of the imperial bourgeoisie. ideology doesn't arise in a vacuum, especially the more fascist ones like zionism