Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Why are we pretending that nation-states are singular entities with their own "wills"? They are networks of intelligent actors exchanging information and "energy" (money in this case). The "israel" net is heavily overlapped with the "america" net, and there is a large flow of information/energy across the 2 nets. The "america" net being much larger gives more of its energy to "israel" than vice versa, but the word "control" is meaningless for describing interactions as complicated geopolitics.

A lot of the discourse around this whole topic uses the verbal short-hand of treating nation-states as if they were entities with a will. And for good reason because a lot of the times, it's an OK approximation. But other times, you just end up arguing about meaningless things.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Very good post. Agreed 100%