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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I will not vote again for Kamala Harris, nor for any other ordinary, boring, middle-of-the-road Democrat. "Vote blue no matter who" brought us to this point, where Democrats are so spineless and compromised, only a handful of elected Dems are willing to oppose fascism. Never again, for me. Give me a candidate worth voting for — that's the only way to get my vote.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Let's remove the dictator first, then we can work on the Party. Harris is a bad choice either way.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Historically, the first step in removing the dictator is letting the fake controlled opposition party burn to the ground. Voting in corporate Dems is no different than voting for the fake opposition parties the Soviet dictators used to let run so they could brag about getting 99% of the vote.

We already tried your strategy, and it failed. We got some short-term wins, but at the cost of long-term defeat. In 2020, we followed your approach. We picked the useless corporate centrist because we saw him as more 'electable' and because we needed to get Trump out of office. And of course, what everyone on the left predicted would happen, happened. The centrist did very little to actually change the conditions that lead to Trump in the first place, and predictably, Trump won again with an even larger margin.

You need to start looking beyond just the election in front of you. Short-term thinking is what has got us into this mess. We're so unwilling to take a short-term loss that we make short-sighted decisions on "electability" that ultimately end up losing us elections in both the short and long term.

Your strategy results in Kamala winning in 2028 and Steven Miller becoming president in 2032.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So if 2028 rolls around and you're presented with a ballot with the choices "Donald Trump" and "Kamala Harris" on it for president, you'll not vote for Kamala Harris?

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If he's on the ballot again then it's all over anyway. That would be a third term and would need to be in a war time. So, if he's on the ballot in 28', we either have a war happening on our soil or, he's going full traitor and the elections will be for nothing more than show.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As far as I'm aware there's no "wartime" exemption from the term limit.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Th real question is, can he declare martial law to prevent or delay the 2028 elections thus extending his second term indefinitely?

[–] CatAssTrophy@safest.space 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There is no constitutional basis for moving the date of elections under any circumstances. Elections went on as normal during the Civil War and WWII, there's absolutely no legal, constitutional or moral excuse for cancelling or delaying them.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

While everything you say is mostly* true, it really doesn't matter. Martial law gives the executive wide and indeterminate decision making.

WWII was not an insurrection so it was not grounds for martial law. The Civil War was seen as an international conflict initially and not an internal insurrection, but it becomes more complicated as it goes on. The 1807 Insurrection Act gives the president a lot of power. Trump has already postured that he can use it to deal with protests in Portland, OR.

* I say mostly true because Congress is granted the ability to determine when elections will happen.

[–] CatAssTrophy@safest.space 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I should have said that there is no basis for the executive branch moving elections under any circumstances (including any precedent or statute for cancelling elections under the Insurrection Act).

At some point that doesn't matter, though. The constitution is just ink on parchment at the end of the day.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago

You might as well have.