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Bernie Sanders floats AOC as potential 2028 presidential contender: ‘Very good politician’
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I would like to say: clinton didn't lose because she's a woman, she lost because she's a sleazeball. harris didn't lose because she's a woman, she lost because she was courting the right wing for some reason. AOC can win because she's not a sleazy right winging neolib. I'd vote for her for president.
What you said is true. But any woman, even a great one, is going to have a tougher time than a man would. Sexism is still a problem in this country.
Sexism and racism. It's absolutely foolish for anyone to think that Americans won't abstain from voting, or worse vote against a woman or a non-white person. It's abysmal to think about, but it's true.
If a woman or a non-white person runs, there will be a subset of the population who refuse to vote for them specifically because of their race or gender.
It's why the republicans always run an old white male asshole, because no one refuses to vote for old white male assholes specifically out of principle, but a large amount of people (larger than you or I would likely think) will absolutely vote against a woman or a non-white person specifically due to their race or gender.
It's like you guys forget that Barrack Hussein Obama lead us to the largest victory in recent memory. The black guy with the Muslim name less than a decade from 9/11. He just never happened because if you tried to account for him, your whole theory would look like a steaming load.
I didn't say that they couldn't win, just that it was an additional hurdle a white man wouldn't have. But I appreciate your strawman all the same, it is almost halloween.
Ok, some won't, but not enough to prevent a black guy with a Muslim name from leading us to a supermajority win. If that's your theory, then it's worthless because it's too little to matter when you put up an actually talented politician with an inspiring message. We should just do that, then we won't have to wring our hands over whether you think they're demographically optimal for the bigots in your head.
People had the same "what about the racists" message in 2008 and they all fell flat on their faces when the election happened and it had no meaningful impact. Obama won freaking North Carolina. The only Democrat to do so in the last 45 years.
You go ahead and keep pretending racism and sexism don't exist, ostrich is the way.
Both Harris and Clinton position themselves as more of the status quo. Trump both time always positions himself as an outsider who taps into to racism and white rage. The only time you can win off a status quo type deal if the Dem admin was doing amazing during when they had power.
Yea, republicans piss on you and say it's that guy, Dems piss on you and say it's raining.
Atleast piss in my mouth and we'll all be happy
Republicans haven't won reelection in two decades, and Bush's was real iffy. The change bias goes both ways.
Republicans eat asparaguses before pissing on you, Dems eat pineapple.
💦💦💦
Someone is staying hydrated.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but don’t underestimate the role of misogyny. A commentator on a podcast i listen to was in the US in the run-up to the last election and they said that something they heard over and over again in the people they talked to was variations on “i hate Trump and everything he stands for, but i couldn’t trust the country to a woman”
I had one friend like this. Basically all he talked about was how much he hates Trump, then come election he said he wasn't voting at all because "Trump is bad, but Harris is worse because she's a woman".
In the sake of honesty, it wasn't just that. He also said a few times that she's worse than Trump because she claimed to be from a working class family, but almost always it was that she was a woman that was his reasoning.
It is stunning to imagine somebody actually saying this out loud, conscious of what they are doing rather than mindlessly acting on biases without introspection like a normal moron.
But somehow I also have zero surprise about it. Even if it's just a fake story you made up for Lemmy it doesn't matter because it's genuinely a mundane everyday concept in so much of the country. (middle aged USian white dude from a conservative family here, it's been a long time but I've heard it all)
I feel like I've gained a new understanding of quantum superposition!
I almost thought the guy was doing a bit when I first heard it. I guess I always assumed misogynists would be more subtle about it. It was my first brush with someone that open about it.
My SO phrased it as "I don't think I can vote for a woman for president." and so they didn't vote at all.
An issue with the presidential race isn't getting the republican vote, it's getting the dems to actually show up.
I'm curious, what gender is your SO?
I'd assume a guy, but conservative culture and media convinces a lot of women that they themselves are made from lesser stuff and should generally be deferring to the men anyway.
Woman.
I just don't believe them anymore. I think they always wanted this and were embarrassed to be fascists.
Now that you suggest the idea, I wouldn’t be surprised. I’ve since booted the guy from my life (or at least as much as I could) but I wouldn’t surprised if this was the case based on some of the things he’s said.
I'm saying he's wrong.
That certainly had a decent effect. She was an easy target. She's not white, she's a woman, Right there you lost almost the entire right. She was trying to court the Jews when Israel was ready to go to bed with trump. She was a 11:59pm changeover for a sick president that was already making some questionable calls. Most of what she was doing wasn't wrong or bad, but it was easy to attack and impossible to defend.
2025 Project was being installed and is being orchestrated by professional incredibly well funded politicians with incredible levels of oligarch backing. No matter what she would have done, anything but an all out blue wave would not have stopped them.
But it won't matter in the next election, they're ready to read from the Russian playbook. It'll be a mock election. Most of the republicans and a lot of the dems are complicit. Even if the left were to get in (0 change imo) they would just call in some left sleepers to switch the power back, we're well and properly baked.
AOC can win because she voted against the rail unions. This pleases the donors