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[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 10 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

I think limiting spells to mostly do what they say they do (while ignoring obviously stupid interactions like the one above) is actually somewhat balancing, because it otherwise increases the power and utility of casters over martials even further.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

So just buff the martials! Easy peasy

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 1 points 31 minutes ago

Properly buffing martials without creating different problems in the process is actually far harder than it seems I'd say.

But yes other than that it’s a good solution as well.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 hour ago

The Matt Colville approach

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I think that the best thing about tabletop games is that you are not bound by someone else's rules and can decide on the spot what works and what doesn't. It makes for more interesting plays that just adhere to the words written on the page.

A few years ago, me and my party were stuck in the sewers with giant invisible spiders stalking us. When they attacked us, the Paladin threw some water around so that the water hitting the invisible bodies would make them visible. There's no specific rule for that, but it made for a cool moment.

At the same time, even if Firebolt explicitly states that it sets objects on fire and Investiture of Flame doesn't, if the Sorcerer wants to burn stuff with it, I'll allow it.

From experience, the only way to somewhat balance martials and casters is to either give the martials broken stuff, or play homebrew classes that actually care about giving them interesting features to play with.
Allowing the players to interact with the environment using their tools (as long as they don't specifically infringe on established rules) doesn't change the power dynamics between casters and non-casters. Sure, it technically increases the utility of casters a bit more, but chances are that they have countless tools for the job anyway. The martials are still eating dirt miles behind them.

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 1 points 20 minutes ago

I think that’s a big strength of tabletops too, but I sometimes wish people would adhere a bit more to the rules, because while some things are not covered by them, changing the things that are is a good way to get me to be very hesitant to do anything because I can’t rely on achieving anything close to the intended outcome if I can’t rely on the rules.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 hour ago

Balancing martials and casters is easy. All you have to do is sell your D&D books for Draw Steel books.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

worrying about balance is another literalism imo. You can make anything fun and enjoyable with the right story, items, and creativity

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 1 points 19 minutes ago

Yes you can. I've just made the experience that people enjoy balanced games more than unbalanced ones.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"Balance" gets abused a lot, as a term. It means multiple things, and it results in people talking past each other.

Intra-party balance -- that is, everyone in the party being approximately equally capable -- is important for most tables because most people resent getting clowned on by their so-called allies.

Creature/encounter balance is not about forcing the fights players get into to be fair, but about having a reliable way of telling how hard the fight will be. That knowledge is not an obligation to make the fights fair.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 hour ago

The ideal solution to intra party balance is to have the minmaxer play a healer

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What I want to know is, if the gap between casters and non-casters is truly that big, why are players still picking non-caster classes? Might as well use one of the half-/third-caster classes and reflavor the magic to make them superpowered martials if you just really want to play a character that only makes narrative sense as a non-caster.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 10 points 8 hours ago

Not everyone wants to play a caster.