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[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Ah, the fallacy of overly literal reading of rules.

Which is why I hate the "spells only do what they say they do" argument. There's a lot of things that should logically happen when you cast certain spells that aren't specifically written in the rules.

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 11 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

I think limiting spells to mostly do what they say they do (while ignoring obviously stupid interactions like the one above) is actually somewhat balancing, because it otherwise increases the power and utility of casters over martials even further.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

So just buff the martials! Easy peasy

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 1 points 5 hours ago

Properly buffing martials without creating different problems in the process is actually far harder than it seems I'd say.

But yes other than that it’s a good solution as well.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 hours ago

The Matt Colville approach

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I think that the best thing about tabletop games is that you are not bound by someone else's rules and can decide on the spot what works and what doesn't. It makes for more interesting plays that just adhere to the words written on the page.

A few years ago, me and my party were stuck in the sewers with giant invisible spiders stalking us. When they attacked us, the Paladin threw some water around so that the water hitting the invisible bodies would make them visible. There's no specific rule for that, but it made for a cool moment.

At the same time, even if Firebolt explicitly states that it sets objects on fire and Investiture of Flame doesn't, if the Sorcerer wants to burn stuff with it, I'll allow it.

From experience, the only way to somewhat balance martials and casters is to either give the martials broken stuff, or play homebrew classes that actually care about giving them interesting features to play with.
Allowing the players to interact with the environment using their tools (as long as they don't specifically infringe on established rules) doesn't change the power dynamics between casters and non-casters. Sure, it technically increases the utility of casters a bit more, but chances are that they have countless tools for the job anyway. The martials are still eating dirt miles behind them.

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 1 points 5 hours ago

I think that’s a big strength of tabletops too, but I sometimes wish people would adhere a bit more to the rules, because while some things are not covered by them, changing the things that are is a good way to get me to be very hesitant to do anything because I can’t rely on achieving anything close to the intended outcome if I can’t rely on the rules.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 hours ago

Balancing martials and casters is easy. All you have to do is sell your D&D books for Draw Steel books.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

worrying about balance is another literalism imo. You can make anything fun and enjoyable with the right story, items, and creativity

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes you can. I've just made the experience that people enjoy balanced games more than unbalanced ones.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

"Balance" gets abused a lot, as a term. It means multiple things, and it results in people talking past each other.

Intra-party balance -- that is, everyone in the party being approximately equally capable -- is important for most tables because most people resent getting clowned on by their so-called allies.

Creature/encounter balance is not about forcing the fights players get into to be fair, but about having a reliable way of telling how hard the fight will be. That knowledge is not an obligation to make the fights fair.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 hours ago

The ideal solution to intra party balance is to have the minmaxer play a healer

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What I want to know is, if the gap between casters and non-casters is truly that big, why are players still picking non-caster classes? Might as well use one of the half-/third-caster classes and reflavor the magic to make them superpowered martials if you just really want to play a character that only makes narrative sense as a non-caster.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 10 points 14 hours ago

Not everyone wants to play a caster.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Taking thing literally (especially in an RP game) just shows a lake of creativity. Table top books like DND have always been a framework to give you ideas. everything else is between you and the players

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 1 points 5 hours ago

Well that’s a very general accusation for a stance that could have a multitude of reasons.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

nah, dnd insists on being specific but isn't particularly well written
they can either not write their rules to be so specific or proof read them better