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Okay, but like, the guy also polled their followers on the race of the next victim, and the option for choosing a black victim was just the N-word. Just because it isn't exclusively incel shit doesn't mean that there isn't some of that baked in.
don't worry guys it's just raceplay fetishisim I'm into being called racial slurs it's okay /s
So racism in fetish videos is fucked, but femicide as a fetish is okay? What the fuck?
You know, interestingly enough I usually use youtube comments to gauge whether a questionable video is a reflection of a reactionary creator or not.
This has the potential to turn into a really interesting struggle session
There was already a general BDSM/kink struggle session a few years ago which concluded that the idea that BDSM is "inherently reactionary/patriarchal" is itself a chauvinist position, and that people can be into either side of sexualized fear, pain, control/helplessness, etc just because of how these things and arousal all connect in the adrenal system rather than because of any sort of internalized reactionary hierarchies or beliefs.
This sort of thing really shouldn't get a different result imo apart from it being ok to get skeeved out specifically by someone paying an AI to generate photo-realistic fantasy snuff films and posting them to an already deeply reactionary major social media site. If he was like a blender animator posting to some niche fetish forum no one would notice or care unless he had an incel crashout on twitter or something and people dredged it up.
wow a reasonable take, thank you
Do those arguments would apply if instead of snuff films were CSA? If yes then the arguments are brain dead
I don't think this is a good argument because
CW: CSA
CSA material sends the implicit message to a vulnerable population, who don't yet have the mental tools to understand when they're being taken advantage of, that their sexualization is normal. It's for this reason that it's often used by predators to groom victims. Here's a video where two CSA survivors discuss the subject, with relevant section timestamped.Even if bad people aren't gonna be sending these videos to their potential victims as a way to mentalize them about "it's okay to be killed"; the proliferation of this content perhaps create a lot of people who will want to recreate these crimes in reality.
Do you have any evidence of that? Because I've heard that argument used against everything from video games to music.
The word perhaps is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, and this is very similar to sentiments I've seen where people make this leap about kinks based on pure gut reaction - sentiments that do not at all match my actual experiences with the people who hold these kinks. I'm talking about stuff like
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"BDSM porn will perhaps create a lot of people who want to kidnap and lock up women in reality.""Furry porn will perhaps create a lot of people who will want to commit bestiality in reality."
"Vore porn will perhaps create a lot of people who want to engage in cannibalism in reality."
"Sissy hypno porn will perhaps create a lot of people who want to change their gender identity in reality." (Not in any way trying to imply that being trans is comparable to the stuff above, but the right-wing panic over it allegedly making people trans is similarly absurd.)
I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong. I'm not a psychologist, this is not a kink I've done any deep investigation into, and I don't really know anyone who's into it well enough to gauge them firsthand. I'm just saying that maybe the arguments from Awoo and others warrant more engagement than "Shut the fuck up."
The issue with that argument is that crimes related to any fetish beyond vanilla male heterosexuality are rare to the point of being nearly indistinguishable from zero. Like let's just go over a few really common peril tropes/fetishes and see if they're even things that have been done once:
A woman being tied to railroad tracks is a titillating peril trope dating back nearly as far as railroad tracks themselves, and is so widespread in the cultural consciousness that it's immediately recognizable as an antiquated cartoon gag. How many times has this violent, death focused fetish actually been attempted by an assailant? Zero times. Even as just a general murder attempt it's been attempted IIRC one time in a century and a half and the would-be victim escaped.
How about the thing from The Cask of Amontillado where someone gets bricked up in a wall and left to die? That's also, absurd as it may sound, a fetish that from what I've seen seems even more popular than the traintracks thing. How many times has that actually been done to someone as a fetish thing? Or even as like a normal murder thing? Has it ever been done? The closest thing I know of is the sequestration thing that was very rarely done by Nuns as a voluntary penance, and that still involved access for food, water, and hygiene and could be stopped at the request of the person doing it at any time.
On the matter of Edgar Allen Poe stories, the pendulum thing from The Pit and the Pendulum is also a common peril fetish trope in one form or another. How many cases of a timed swinging blade or buzzsaw or whatever being used in an elaborate murder contraption are there? Is there even a single one?
Cannibalism is the only one I know of where there's like actually multiple known murders, and that's still a matter of like 4 cases over more than a century, for something that's an extremely common trope in pop culture and that's had prolific fetish art communities for as long as there's been an internet.
Even if we dial this back to just like general BDSM related stuff, that's still way more just "domestic abuse can still be done in a kink relationship, and can sometimes be shaped by those kinks as well" and doesn't seem to be any more prominent (or is less prominent) than abuse in completely vanilla, socially acceptable heterosexual relationships.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
and for some kinksters the taboo part is an important component. we can actually go too far into being accepting, the piss drinkers want us to think it's fucking gross.
No, it's not fine. This shit is like CSA
This comment is so fucking funny