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They are ignoring it completely. If you try and bring up how bad the administration is they just say "well both sides are bad."
No, it's a clear difference between both sides. One side respects the law and constitution and the other side is only concerned about gaining more power and hurting the working class.
Try telling that to someone who works for a wage. Hell, the Dems and Donald are allying to try and stop Zohran Mamdani, because he thinks wage workers shouldn't have to live in poverty.
Is your impression that Biden and Trump were pretty much the same from the standpoint of the average wage worker? Because they were fucking night and day. Even on wages, not counting that a lot of those wage workers are at risk of getting ambushed by ICE and sent to some kind of horrifying Kafka prison. Along any axis you want to look at, there is a clear difference, I have no idea how you can try to claim there is not.
I don't actually think any of this is super relevant to the somewhat more urgent conversation "One side thinks it's okay to assassinate their domestic enemies, celebrated even, and the other does not," but even in the terms you chose to reframe it in, there is a clear difference.
There is a clear difference between the two sides we are living it in real time and there’s no amount of both sidesing that will convince anyone with critical thinking skills.
Honestly don't even need those. Just have eyes and don't be in a cult
Honestly, the fact that people are still trying to claim there is no "clear difference" should be a wake up call that it was always just a bunch of shit. I can maybe understand someone from before the election, just ignorant of how things were going to play out, or just wrapped up in a certain ideology or upset about the Democrats in general which is 100% understandable, something like that. At this point in the present though, it's either total self-delusion or dishonesty on purpose. It's like banging the table and swearing the sky is red and the ocean is malted milk.
LOL at the downvotes.
You know I'm right. Cuomo is a Democrat.
If your point is that an uninformed voter may have checked out of politics because neither party will have an immediately noticeable impact on their lives, then sure.
Anyone paying moderate attention can see that the Democrats are trying to maintain the status quo, and the Republicans are trying to take another stab at fascism.
None of the above are good things, but to say they're the same is crazy.
The only difference is packaging. I don't know how any reasonable person could have lived thorugh the Biden and Obama presidencies and not concluded that they're fascists with different messaging.
Hell, go look up who first appointed Tom Homan if you don't agree with me.
I've been very critical of the Democrats here (being from a different country and having a much broader political exposure than the typical American, I see them as a very rightwing party in broader World Politics terms) and would say that most of the core motivations of the people who are establishment Democrat politicians are the same as those of the Republicans politicians.
They are, however very different in what means they think are acceptable to use, how much damage they're willing to do to society in general to achieve what they want and even on how far they will go, from present day Republicans.
At the moment Republicans are outright Fascists very much using the NAZI playbook on things like Propaganda and bits of it on other things (such as their subversion of the Judiciary, takeover of the Press and using the powers of the state they have gotten their hands on far beyond what is Lawful).
The establishment Democrats are smooth liars and some of them are even colaborators, but they still value the old rules, proportionality and not breaking everything. They're definitelly not fighting for the "little man", however their favoring of "keep it within the rules" means that they are far less destructive and that does mean they are not as bad for the "little man", because guess who gets fucked up the most when the everything breaks (hint: it's not the rich).
I would even go as far as saying that right now mainstream Democrats are the "conservatives" (in the sense that they want things to stay as they are) whilst the Republicans are the revolutionaries (not, "Revolution of the Proletariat" kind of Revolution, rather the "Fascist takeover" kind).
They're not the same.
Doesn't mean that either side is good, it means they're objectivelly different in terms of what they do and the outcomes of it.
Biden: Claims he's going to close Gitmo, releases 25 detainees leaving 15 in custody thus reneging on his promise
Trump: Expands Gitmo to 30,000 and makes dozens of little mini-Gitmo black sites all across the US, actively works to put people into them literally as fast as he can make his rapidly expanding machinery ramp up, soon to potentially include you or me, our US citizen passports may stop working, too.
FlashMobOfOne: Literally the same picture
I honestly can't think of a reason you would claim this other than to try to work to shove the edges of the Lemmy hivemind's Overton window. There are not going to be people who believe you on this, you're talking like we are not inside the US watching it all happen right now.
HOLY SHIT. Now THAT is a fucking LOL.
Oh, I'm well aware of where that jackass came from. I'm no fan of the Democrats' immigration policies, drone policies, or many other policies but HOLY SHIT are you off your rocker.
That is like comparing Joe Biden's uncomfortable shoulder touching to Trump's literal raping of women and children. Yeah, both are bad, icky, not cool but fucking LOL trying to equate that shit. You must be fucking with us.
AOC sold out on israel too.... They are all good at talking and doing nothing.
GOP has no problems doing whatever they want, but democrats can never pass any law that benefits working class.
ACA 13 years in has proven to be utter failures from cost and quality perspective
Normies still tlak about fewillion people pre existing conditions... Yeah good for them but how does this help people paying higher premiums for shitter coverage
I guess I missed this, but how did AOC sell out to Israel?
Her entire MO is that she doesn't support providing israel with "offensive" weapons which is why she recently vote to send more money to israel for "defensive" weapons.
She is likely setting up for presidential runs and her calculus tells her she needs Israeli lobby.
Interesting, I wonder if she voted that way to avoid supporting anything from MTG.
The access to health care they claim Obamacare provides only exists if you can afford to be price-gouged. It's working as designed, and people just kind of ignore that pre-existing condition or no, you still don't get care if you can't pay.
It was a brilliant symbolic move on Obama's part though.
you really have no idea how expensive healthcare was if you had a "pre-existing condition" before the ACA
And yet, it's only worse now.