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Liberals hatred of Stalin is unreal
(lemmygrad.ml)
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Specifically, one guy saying one thing AFTER doing the opposite. (See: Ukrainian Famine 1932)
he said this in an interview in 1936. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/03/01.htm
It's still a good idea. Also, Stalin is still a fucking travesty of a human, as is everyone who enabled him.
The famine being a genocide was misinfo spread by nazi publications such as hearst press. The misinfo was used as justification for murdering Jewish people as "soviet collaborators"
It doesn't matter if he personally loved every single Ukrainian that died, the fact is that even if you believe everything that was done to mitigate it was a best effort, and that everything that led to the union at large being essentially helpless to feed its people was an accident, it still paints the picture of a big talker that managed a country into the ground.
At best, in the most forgiving light, Stalin was an incompetent head of state, regardless of how smart he was, and was responsible for a lot of people who died reaching out their hands begging for help while he pulled out his pockets and shrugged. And that would have been the end of it, but no, he goes and waxes poetically about how starving people don't have freedom while the graves are still fresh.
Uh huh so by your logic then every world leader that exists, has existed, and will exist is a genocidal monster on the same level of Stalin because there's always some form of poverty in the world.
At least you're consistent with your dumb take.
I suppose if you squint at it and ignore all the other stuff sure? But the problems with famine relief were mainly local and partially caused by kulak sabotage (and they bragged about how effective that sabotage was, you can look it up), when the central committee understood the extent of the problem measures were quickly taken.
If we look at other facts though, like how successful collective farming was at breaking the cycle of famine and how rapidly the Soviets were able to industrialize, quick enough to defeat nazi-ism lose 1/6 of their population in the fight and still make it to space before anyone else, it paints a much better picture of the competence of soviet democratic economic management.
From 1928 to 1939 (the period of full planning pre-war) industrial output increased 350%.
Then why did people starve?
Cite sources showing people starved or you will be banned
Because the rapid industrialization and according massive reorganization of the economy and productive capacity of the country was messy and imperfect. And also because famines are only really uncommon in already industrialized economies.
In addition civil war, kulaks burning food, imperfect management science (Taylorism which had problems with adjusting controlling to the reality on the ground), natural disasters and bad climate for crops. For example even when harvest was going on in plenty of areas the weather was too damp to gather crops at the ideal point in time which greatly diminishes your harvest. The same process could be seen this year in Europe.
The UK did embargo the Soviet Union till Lenin's NEP and similar things did happen regularly, this means that international finance and industrial capital would've often sought other countries in which they didn't have to fear such things, too. This means that the Soviet Union had to try to generate capital from other sources and those are the the surplus of the working class or the savings of people (vs. consumption).
And The West™️ will never forgive him for it
Do you honestly believe, that had he run out of warm bodies, he would have thrown himself at the Nazis next?
Run out of warm bodies? Are you on some ruzzian orcs only human wave tactics, no rifle one bullet shit?
The Red Army won the war
When the Nazis were on the outskirts of Moscow, Stalin stood his ground alongside the entire Soviet leadership as the city faced what possibly would've been its last moments.
He was literally so close to the front lines the NKVD had to make sure he didn't accidentally enter any of the minefields that were set up in the city when he took his walks through the city to review the defenses or to go back to his apartment.
absolute unit
Even funnier, or not - it depends I guess - is that I know this because Beria joked about how easy it was for him to assassinate Stalin during the war while the Nazis were outside of Moscow by simply letting him step on a mine.
okay while on beria, is he actually as shit as the libs say
Aaaa I deleted my long-ass reply
Gimme like an hour or two to get off mobile and give you a quality answer.
Quick answer is: a lot of mystery is around beria that's still locked away in the soviet archives, and realistically the best way to gage him would be in the writings of those who were around him during the time he was alive. I'm keeping an equally open mind on him as I do with other Soviet leadership.
Okay I hope you like reading.
Beria wasn't Stalin's first pick for the Job Beria would later assume
Getty and Manning. Stalinist Terror. Cambridge, NY: Cambridge University Press, 1993, p. 38
Thurston, Robert. Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia, 1934-1941. New Haven: Yale University Press, c1996, p. 131
One of Stalin's last living bodyguards liked Beria as much as he liked Kruschev
Rybin, Aleksei. Next to Stalin: Notes of a Bodyguard. Toronto: Northstar Compass Journal, 1996, p. 80
It was likely that Beria played a key role in stopping the greatest excesses of the Ezhovshchina
Duranty, Walter. Story of Soviet Russia. Philadelphia, N. Y.: JB Lippincott Co. 1944, p. 229
Grey, Ian. Stalin, Man of History. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1979, p. 288
Chase, William J., Enemies Within the Gates?, translated by Vadim A. Staklo, New Haven: Yale University Press, c2001, p. 306.
Tokaev, Grigori. Comrade X. London: Harvill Press,1956, p. 119
Getty, A. Origins of the Great Purges. Cambridge, N. Y.: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1985, p. 189
Medvedev, Roy. Let History Judge. New York: Columbia University Press, 1989, p. 465
KGB Deputy Chairman Vladimir Pirozhkov (I think) makes a public comment including Beria as one of the officials sentenced for violations of Soviet Law.
Laqueur, Walter. Stalin: The Glasnost Revelations. New York: Scribner’s, c1990, p. 266
Also some reading on Stalin in Moscow.
Strong, Anna Louise. The Stalin Era. New York: Mainstream, 1956, p. 98
Sudoplatov, Pavel. Special Tasks. Boston: Little, Brown, c1993, p. 134
Sudoplatov, Pavel. Special Tasks. Boston: Little, Brown, c1993, p. 433
Djilas, Milovan. Conversations with Stalin. New York: Harcourt, Brace & World, 1962, p. 37
Martens, Ludo. Another View of Stalin. Antwerp, Belgium: EPO, Lange Pastoorstraat 25-27 2600, p. 247 [p. 224 on the NET]
Litvinov, Maksim Maksimovich. Notes for a Journal. New York: Morrow, 1955, p. 307
Litvinov, Maksim Maksimovich. Notes for a Journal. New York: Morrow, 1955, p. 309
Franklin, Bruce, Ed. The Essential Stalin; Major Theoretical Writings. Garden City, New York: Anchor Books, 1972, p. 31
Axell, Albert. Stalin’s War: Through the Eyes of His Commanders. London, Arms and Armour Press. 1997, p. 168
Fishman and Hutton. The Private Life of Josif Stalin. London: W. H. Allen, 1962, p. 139
Fishman and Hutton. The Private Life of Josif Stalin. London: W. H. Allen, 1962, p. 143
Laqueur, Walter. Stalin: The Glasnost Revelations. New York: Scribner’s, c1990, p. 148
Laqueur, Walter. Stalin: The Glasnost Revelations. New York: Scribner’s, c1990, p. 149
Zhukov, Georgii. Memoirs of Marshal Zhukov. London: Cape, 1971, p. 361
Rybin, Aleksei. Next to Stalin: Notes of a Bodyguard. Toronto: Northstar Compass Journal, 1996, p. 28-30
Rybin, Aleksei. Next to Stalin: Notes of a Bodyguard. Toronto: Northstar Compass Journal, 1996, p. 30-35
THUS SPAKE KAGANOVICH by Feliks Chuyev, 1992
McNeal, Robert, Stalin: Man and Ruler. New York: New York University Press, 1988, p. 369
Axell, Albert. Stalin’s War: Through the Eyes of His Commanders. London, Arms and Armour Press. 1997, p. 167
Axell, Albert. Stalin’s War: Through the Eyes of His Commanders. London, Arms and Armour Press. 1997, p. 168
Yeah sorry for infodumping on ya. just to let you know a lot of my comments have comments that include more reading material.
and since I'm here, hey @GarbageShoot@hexbear.net want to join in on the infodump? Topic's Beria. But if you want to include some baller Stalin facts too, that'd be cool.
Churchill would have joined the Nazis if they were not a competing empire.
I don't blame trump for COVID, but I do blame him for the piss poor response and unnecessary deaths that could have been prevented were it not for willful mismanagement, blatant ignorance, and a cabinet woefully unprepared to deal with a megalomaniac hell bent on letting karma motorboat through a demographic he didn't find any value in.
Sounds pretty familiar yeah?
it does sound familiar
libs when they have to bring up Trump to cope:
"heh, Trump was basically like Stalin"
I know this nerd has been banned, but for posterity I'll point out that the circumstances were completely fucking different.
COVID in America: you have a 21st century nation with internet, global trade, well-established information and logistics networks, clear understanding of the extent and nature of the threat, most of the world's top universities and biomedical research labs, you have fucking hundreds of thousands of people with lifelong specialist training in science, technology, emergency response, public messaging, and any other conceivable discipline relevant to managing a fucking pandemic, and you have all the money on earth to give them.
Soviet famine: you have a rural post-revolutionary state still racing to industrialize and prepare for war, still mostly uneducated and illiterate, no foreign trade, extremely rudimentary information and logistics networks, no way to establish any sort of responsive feedback control loop to manage the situation, and no way to fucking conjure more food out of the ground. There's no n95 to hand out, no stipend to stay home, no social distancing, no vaccine. All you can do is spread the scraps around and keep the farmers farming and workers working.
Do you want s conversation about this or are you coming set in your ways? That way, we can either talk about your unfounded position or shame will be the best option moving forward on this topic
Those are just facts. He did a lot of horrid shit. Sending a fuckload of people to clog up the Nazi meat grinder with their bodies isn't heroism, it's the last desperate act of someone trying to save their own ass.
The Russians that died in the city Stalin named after himself are the heroes who defeated Fascism.
Except that is just the "mongol horde" myth spread by the nazis. The soviet military was a modern military which fought as a modern military. The "not one step back" order was directed at higher officers who favored unnecessary withdrawals at the expense of ceding territory that the nazis would start exterminating and of leaving the flanks of other army formations vulnerable.
Lmao you literally believe nazi propaganda if you're doing "Enemy At The Gates" level assertions of what the war of the Eastern Front was like
Jesus Christ your example is the single most impressive war in history(edit: actually don't wanna take away from the Korean comrades or Angolan comrades or vietnamese comrades, they also did amazing) and blaming the General leading it for not being one of the soldiers?? Fuck me, that's such a terrible example. I'm one of the 70-30 good-bad people on Stalin, which is about 50 percent better than any westen leader ever. But you chose like the literal best thing he ever did that can be attributed at least significantly to him.
He managed to not only keep the Germans waiting too long (where soviets were then able to build up their military during the war to lead to their success) but also pull the rest of the world into the war to their assistance (diplomacy and manoeuvering). Otherwise I don't think western countries would've actually stopped the Nazi's tbh, or even tried to help.
Of course the millions of dead soviets did the work and died under Stalin. And the rest of the population was saved by the sacrifice and Stalin mourned and celebrated them despite not being on the front lines.
Stalin did went to the front lines multiple times though https://www.rbth.com/history/336242-stalin-front-wwii
You're right, I took too much credit from him. I guess I meant he never put himself into the situations where death was a 70% certainty like many Soviet soldiers heroically did. But good leadership also means living and being commander when you might not even want to (referring to Stalin wanting to end his position)
russian orc hooman wave tactics
tfw your understanding of history comes from Enemy At The Gates