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[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This reads like a horror story and made me legit cry... Like WTF.

I would not be surprised if this happened in the USA but I'd be scared shitless if they still did this in Germany, if yes I hope I will never get there like ever

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

This reads like a horror story and made me legit cry... Like WTF.

I am sorry, maybe I shouldn't have a tendency to trauma dump and I forgot to add a content warning and spoiler. doggirl-gloom

I would not be surprised if this happened in the USA but I'd be scared shitless if they still did this in Germany, if yes I hope I will never get there like ever

Well according to this paper

The application of ECT has increased markedly in the last 8 years, showing an exponential growth over the last 4 decades in Germany. The accessibility to the treatment seems to have improved and some global trends have been well received. Electroconvulsive therapy has become a modern, increasingly used medical intervention.

I don't know anything about the process in Germany but they give you consent forms although in my case they thought I wasn't mentally fit to make the decision and left it on someone else. You would most likely be allowed to make the decision yourself in Germany in case the question comes up but they will try to sound convincing. A lot of the doctors behave like it is a silver bullet to your problems. I have neurological problems and they saw it all too when they took on my brain and spine after getting an MRI and lumbar puncture there. The others that were allowed to consent often had no idea what they were signing up for and belived everything they were told. I have a friend in the US that is a little closer to the side of self harm and the last time, he was trying to figure out how to get approved and get the money because he was convinced it would fix it even though I had went into the details of mine and the experience of others I knew personally ( it costs around $2,500 per session in America and usually you would get at least 10 sessions and I can't imagine paying a few to go through that experience but they want people that kind of money?). I remember redditors behaving like it would solve all their problems on some subreddit couple of years back amd they would ban people who had the experience speak out against it. Some people thought the shock therapy they might have seen a movie was a bygone relic and different from the ECT that they received.

Well, what is the sense of ruining my head and erasing my memory, which is my capital, and putting me out of business? It was a brilliant cure but we lost the patient

Earnest Hemingway after electroconvulsive therapy.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I am sorry, maybe I shouldn't have a tendency to trauma dump and I forgot to add a content warning and spoiler. doggirl-gloom

Nouuu dw! It was more like horror story not as in scared but shocked on my side and not like fear tears but empathy ones. So np, no harm done!
(Though a spoiler would probably be good because I can imagine it affecting peeps or mb causing a trigger idk).

And thank you a lot for sharing all this and the info regarding my concerns; I hope I didn't send you back (further in) to a bad place with my comment...

I can imagine that ECT has some valid use cases, but treating it as a silver bullet as you mentioned, sounds kinda appalling.

Edit: Reading the Wikipedia article and just 🗿

Modern Use

[...] It has also been used to treat autism in adults with an intellectual disability, yet findings from a systematic review found this an unestablished intervention.

Schizophrenia

ECT is widely used worldwide in the treatment of schizophrenia. However, in North America and Western Europe it is invariably used only in treatment resistant schizophrenia when symptoms show little response to antipsychotics. ECT may improve medium-term clinical response relative to standard care, but may not affect other outcomes. Evidence is lacking to support the practice's superiority to placebo treatment (sham ECT) or antipsychotic supplementation.

Effects and adverse effects

[...] Severe adverse cardiac events occur in between one in forty and, maximally, one in fifteen patients administered ECT.

In one of the few jurisdictions where recent statistics on ECT usage are available, a national audit of ECT by the Scottish ECT Accreditation Network indicated that 77% of patients who received the treatment in 2008 were capable of giving informed consent.[138]

In the UK, in order for consent to be valid it requires an explanation in "broad terms" of the nature of the procedure and its likely effects.[139] One review from 2005 found that only about half of patients felt they were given sufficient information about ECT and its adverse effects[140] and another survey found that about fifty percent of psychiatrists and nurses agreed with them.[141]

A 2005 study published in the British Journal of Psychiatry described patients' perspectives on the adequacy of informed consent before ECT.[140] The study found that "About half (45–55%) of patients reported they were given an adequate explanation of ECT, implying a similar percentage felt they were not." The authors also stated:

Approximately a third did not feel they had freely consented to ECT even when they had signed a consent form. The proportion who feel they did not freely choose the treatment has actually increased over time. The same themes arise whether the patient had received treatment a year ago or 30 years ago. Neither current nor proposed safeguards for patients are sufficient to ensure informed consent with respect to ECT, at least in England and Wales.[140]

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Nouuu dw! It was more like horror story not as in scared but shocked on my side and not like fear tears but empathy ones. So np, no harm done! (Though a spoiler would probably be good because I can imagine it affecting peeps or mb causing a trigger idk).

okay! I got a little worried there doggirl-sweat but I am glad you are okay. I should have been more careful. I did add spoilers after I did add a CW and spoilers after I realized what I had done.

And thank you a lot for sharing all this and the info regarding my concerns; I hope I didn't send you bad to a bad place with my comment...

yw! doggirl-thumbsup and don't worry, the emotions attached associated with those memories has kind of faded or numb in a way so it doesn't really bother me much usually.

Edit: Reading the Wikipedia article and just 🗿 wtf people with autism can't catch a break. The consent part is on point because that is how a lot of the people who got it felt like. There was also a part about its efficiency and they are comparing ECT to rtms (non imvasive magents basically) and I remember a lot of people calling it placebo although I am not entirely sure. The one person I knew that got rtms ended up far worse after or at least that is what the people taking care of him told (not sure but I think he had a seizure from it )

How does it even get approved.

A meta-analysis from 2017 found that the death rate of ECT was around 2.1 per 100,000 procedures

kobeni-sweat I hope no one died there because they used it a lot.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for sharing comrade <3

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 1 points 14 hours ago

Your welcome! <3