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This is a perfect example of why we should be allowed to use words like "stupid" and "dumb"
I mean, come on
Have you considered just calling them racist instead?
The decision to avoid such terms was made after getting input from our neurodivergent community: In order to make this a more welcoming environment for them.
I hope you’re not suggesting that we ignore the advice of marginalized groups in our community.
The problem is that this person is proud to be a racist. He literally calls these tweets 'expert racism'
You mean its not a joke? Comparing rice farming to chip manufacture on the first one made me think it must be satire
No, look at his profile, he's a full on calipers kind of guy.
This comes off nearly as bait. No one is saying that we must silence the voices of marginalized groups in this community, they are simply acting like there is space between "ignore" and "obey" where we can actually discuss what is correct or incorrect in a way that people can actually engage with rather than receive dictates.
I'm absolutely revolted by the idea of needing to say "I'm ND btw" to not immediately get written off as a neurotypical chauvinist, but I guess I need to because only people in that category get to say something about this topic by your logic. I'm ND btw.
We should consider their feelings, and it may well be that that's the deciding factor (I expect that to be the case), but this idea that someone suggests that we take a different approach and, instead of being properly refuted or referred to a refutation is simply told "You don't want to be a bad ally, do you? You aren't trying to oppress people, are you?" is gross and thought-terminating.
Something as simple as "There isn't much intrinsic value in the rhetorical affectation that you're attached to, but there is value in 'making this a more welcoming environment for' ND comrades" actually engages with them while still substantively being what I assume you were trying to say (which is why I phrased it quoting you).
And it is actually my opinion that, if it is a big deal to them, then whatever, it doesn't matter so go ahead I guess. Just put it in the language filter with the hundred thousand other words that mean "unintelligent" along with, I must assume, the word "unintelligent," so that people don't need to keep the list in their head of what common words aren't allowed here. I feel like there's probably a healthier way to deal with this, but I don't have the motivation to try to work through that with people, so I have no grounds for asserting that it must be the route the board takes. So yeah, I guess I have contempt for the decision, but I don't disagree on a practical level, if that makes sense.
Complete aside: I fucking love how people have sniped at me endlessly for being a "debate bro" or whatever phrasing they prefer to say "autist who is annoying me" but here is the place where we have Manichean language policy. Maybe that was updated, since I do see the term less now, but I likewise don't have the motivation to follow what the admins adjudicate.
Is "debate bro" used in relation to neurodivrrgent/autistic tendencies? I always thought it related to using tactics for debates in a situation which is absolutely not a debate. Like on this forum, where the goal isn't to win an argument but to completely understand the other side and come to a correct conclusion. I've been called it a couple of times, but I'm neurotypical so I wouldn't have made the connection near as well
"Debate bro" has legitimate uses because "debate bros" as a subculture do exist and deserve ridicule, but it means things like using "gotchas" and other underhanded rhetoric or arguing purely to posture, rather than just vocally disagreeing or being -- in their view -- overly concerned with minor details without necessarily deriving false implications from them (which would be a "gotcha"). Overwhelmingly, I get the latter and over time it started to be clear to me for reasons that I find kind of difficult to articulate that this sort of talk is, aside from being lazy, oriented around the caricaturing and disparaging of ASD traits that are a large part of our image of what a "nerd" is, which this site has a long history of enjoying the abuse of, as seen by the sordid emotes that were removed over time. I totally believe there need to be rules for communication, but part of the issue with the site's approach to PC reforms is that it doesn't actually change anyone's attitudes or sentiments, it just changes how they communicate them. Something something "euphemism treadmill."
No, I'm not advocating for banning the term "debate bro" or "nerd," I'm just tired of people being lazy, ignorant assholes. I think a lot of it comes from the people on this site wanting to get a chance to strike at "cishet white males" but being such fucking cowards that they just punch down at ND people of that description who were often already shat on and physically abused for their whole fucking lives, not that I'm bitter about it or anything. That's just the vibe I get though, since I'm not a mind reader. It could all be in my head, though I've seen two or three other autistic comrades say the same thing.
I'd love to know where "this forum" is, because I've been here since the subreddit and don't recognize that description.
Yeah, Hexbear is frustrating about this stuff sometimes. Overall I don't find this place to be too alike leftist twitter spaces, but alongside policing there's that same weird smug dunk culture. It really doesn't happen too much but I've seen it a couple times in the last few days and it's just way too online.
I agree, must I declare my neuro or physical ability, sexuality, and more, every time I post? Only when it's controversial? Do I need to prove it?
I'm sorry but where exactly is the call to remove words like 'dumb' and 'stupid' in these threads?
Original: https://hexbear.net/post/5500406?sort=Top Follow Up: https://hexbear.net/post/5702644?sort=Top
Just seems like another ham fisted attempt by the leadership of this site to implement things nobody asked for.
I'd like to point out once again that there's a certain kind of term that has its origins in an old ableist word and 4chan culture that's used constantly on Hexbear.
I'm neurodivergent and trans and I'm perfectly comfortable calling stupid shit stupid
Never attribute to stupidity what can be equally explained by malice.
-plinky’s razor
idk i think you can say this person is a monstrous jackass who should be flayed alive without anyone innocent catching strays
no ableism necessary
After reading this 50 comments below of
, I think a large chunk of people on this website might be just a bit too full of themselves.
We went like 2 years without that shit getting deleted for ableism and then i see iirc @miz@hexbear.net in the modlog comment removed for calling a dumbass a dumbass and it's like, christ, who is this for? Let my people say dumb
i'll never forget /r/latestagecapitalism banning the word nuts so like you can't ever even say the word in a culinary context without an entire post removed. I think they changed it but jfc
Because being "dumb" (in both senses of the word) is not necessarily a bad thing. Some people can't retain and recall reliably as much information or they may learn more slowly, but neither of those things are present here. This person collected a lot of information and can reliably recall it, they're just wrong. Lack of what one would normally call "intelligence" is not the issue. You could as well call them ignorant, which at least is accurate, but again it's not morally wrong to be ignorant. Then there's what we really see here: willful ignorance. Intentionally supporting harmful false facts in spite of presented evidence. That's not a lack of intelligence, and often the most insidious of these are the more intelligent ones who may use rhetoric or pseudoscience more effectively than this fellow in the post. I know it forces people to use more words and doesn't allow for snappy comebacks, but maybe we can correctly identify the problem and not marginalize innocent people in the process.
i think you're making people up who self identify as dumb so you can grand stand and feel good about taking a stand about the horrific harm wrought on society by the word dumbass but that's just me
I have encountered people who say that insults to intelligence such as those hurt them deeply. I am not one of those myself, so maybe I'm the wrong person to argue this. I'm not making them up, but I won't claim to know an abundance of them either. In any case addressing the issue or argument is typically more effective than a personal insult. Well, that may not be true, I guess. Conservatives get real power just by punching the opposition, but maybe we can be better than that?
That definition of dumb is extremely limited, you know that people aren’t referring to raw cognitive ability when they call someone dumb or stupid. The word is bigger than that and is used to describe, among other things, exactly them kind of willful ignorance or intellectual laziness that you described the race science guys as displaying. As another poster said, there is no group of marginalized people self-identified or medically classified as “dumb” and there hasn’t been for like two centuries.
my comment was "d*mbass is over the line now?" and it got removed even though I censored the word in question. you might be thinking of comrade_pibb. I won't bother to say what I think of it because the mods will probably remove this too
Idk about the other comment but that's what i was thinking of
I hate being told how to speak and I hate every other year some Nerd Council of Nicea congregating without us peasants to decide and dictate to us the terms of our speech especially when they forget about it for 2-3 ffucking years and i see the people I know WHO ARE PART OF IT engage in similar speech in that time
It's like the loose legal nature of marijuana still allowing cops to fuck you up if they want, but because you called something stupid and an internet hall monitor didn't like it
this is how the entire debacle surrounding pronouns for trans comrades started
The discorderati love applying the 'rules'(often not stayed anywhere and seeminglymade up on the spot if they don't like a comment) unevenly
Agree completely. This comes off as charmin-soft. Like if a chud 4-channer made a caricature of a leftist.
For me the largest issue with calling people dumb is that it attempts to create a quantitative scale of intelligence that all people fit on. If you complete that line of thinking you eventually end up doing eugenics.
These racist lines of thinking are also not the result of a general lack of intelligence as much as a lack of life experience and empathy.