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It's cute how if Ukraine fights back that risks nuclear war, but when Russia invades a sovereign country it doesn't
It's like the rule of money, but with nukes: those who have the money/nukes, make the rules.
I'll probably get downvoted to hell but America's done that for hot minute now and also evades any real criticism from the West. And yes, Russia bad and invasion bad, no question but if we're keeping score...
Fuck Woodrow Wilson. Wilsonian Doctrine wasn't even close to the worst thing that shitstain caused while president.
Worst. President. Ever.
In what conflict were people criticized for fighting back against the US because it could cause a nuclear war?
More referring to the invading of countries without criticism, long ass history of doing that in the name of "freedom"
I don't disagree, but I don't think that fits the specific example here. It isn't so much about an imperial power invading another country, but the country in question fighting back and being discouraged from doing so.
Ukraine doesn’t have nukes
Not anymore. They gave them to Russia under guarantees they wouldt do... pretty much everything they are doing right now.
I'm starting to think Russia might not be trustworthy...
Yeah, in the mid 90s the world was so optimistic about Russia, and frankly reassured about the nukes going to Russia, which was believed to be the more confidently governed nation state.
Everyone was still riding high on the cold war seemingly coming to a close.
Too bad so sad! Should have been smart like Kim Jong. Keep some nukes and you don’t get invaded.
Russia has set us back centuries on global nuclear disarmament.
No, I’m pretty sure they haven’t stopped anybody from disarming. But I think everyone should have nukes anyway.
You make a good point. Ukraine should build some of their own nukes.
US would never allow this. Ukraine is only useful if it can function as a buffer state for a proxy war.
They would have to figure out how to do it and they aren’t smart enough, better if they ask Russia to lend them some in exchange for surrendering all disputed territories.
wtf? bruh is this a Russian shill account?
Absolutely
It's gotta be. They praise Musk for stopping a nuclear war but later say they believe every country should have nukes lmao
Sorry for being a realist!
You're trolling but I unironically agree
That doesn’t address the previous claim in any manner.
I think he addressed it clearly enough. Russia invading Ukraine has no risk of Ukraine starting a nuclear war. Why? Because Ukraine does not have nukes.
A country like Russia, if facing an existential threat, has the capacity and incentive to use nuclear weapons. Why? Because they have nukes.
This is why even the US had hesitations last year (same time this Starlink episode happened) about sending certain types of weapons to Ukraine - out of fear of nuclear escalation. Now that Ukraine has drone striked Russian territory a few times it seems obvious because nuclear escalation hasn't happened... but Musk was not alone in thinking this. Remember that US refused to give all sorts of weaponry at first. They didn't want to give fighters jets, tanks, etc.