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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The basic need/want all biological forms have is energy. The need to acquire energy and the need to use energy more efficiently in order to survive longer between energy acquisitions.

Everything else evolves from that starting point. It's just a matter of adding predators and complexity to the environment, as well as adding more "senses", sight, hearing, taste etc.

One thing I think we're not yet realising is that intelligence probably requires other intelligence in order to evolve. Your prey aren't going to improve naturally if your predators aren't also improving and evolving intelligently. Intelligent animal life came from the steady progression of ALL other animal life in competition or cooperation with one another. The creation and advancement of intelligence is an entire ecosystem and I don't think we will create artificial intelligence without also creating an entire ecosystem that it can evolve within alongside many other artificial intelligence in the environment.

Humans didn't magically pop into existence smart. They were creating by surviving against other things that were also surviving. The system holistically created the intelligence.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've had this thought for 5 or so years. With any luck, maybe I'll put it into something publishable before I'm rounded up by the anti communist death squads that come for academics. I think intelligence is fundamentally a social/collective phenomenon, at least in a broad sense where we consider a predator/prey relationship some kind of sociality too. Humans just got really really really surprisingly good at it relative to other species because of our ability to communicate using language, and thus transfer knowledge gains very widely and very quickly compared to a non-verbal animal limited to its immediate social sphere or, slower yet, passing down changes via evolution and genetic advantage. Still, though, this is reliant on a social world and a kind of thinking that can be fundamentally collaborative. Our language and mental models of the world aren't just geared to get us what we as individual agents desire; they were developed by a process that required them to be understandable to other similarly intelligent creatures.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago

incidentally, I had a few thoughts on the subject here, and I generally agree with what you're saying https://theunconductedchorus.com/#unveiling_the_origins_of_volition