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I hope you realize they aren't fighting for the rights of artists. They are fighting for their exclusive right to exploit artists.
Absolutely. There’s not a good guy on either side here.
If AI vendors win, it’s basically this:
So, use and support open-source AI models.
Licensing is the least of my objections to the gen AI plague.
open sourcing doesn’t effect the core issue.
I honestly see much less of an issue with using scraped content if there is no profit motivation behind it. The main thing is, that all that scraping and training costs a fuckton of money, so no open source nonprofit model will be able to do that
You're not wrong, but if they win against AI, all artists will benefit because of the precedent that it would set.
What I think will actually happen if this is looking to not go in the tech bros' favour is that they'll settle and make a potential deal with large copyright holders for ongoing usage, and that would screw individual artists.
For artists able to afford a lawsuit against a multimillion company.
No. It doesn't benefit artists.
But the large corporations are handling that side of things already. If the lawsuit goes in the favour of copyright holders, AI companies would in theory have to do something to avoid using copyrighted material, or pay for the usage. Of course, there's every chance that they may end up avoiding using copyrighted material from anyone big enough to fight back, and just profit off of the works of artists without the resources to stop them doing so.
Still, artists will see nothing.
If artists see generative AI companies going bust, that will be something.
No thanks. I care about real benefits and systemic changes. Not fucking petty vengeance.
It's literally worse than nothing because now all the time and effort used fighting for this was wasted.
If it ends the stupid AI bubble then I don't think it qualifies as petty vengeance; that is some real change. There won't be meaningful legislation to aid the day-to-day person against this garbage, no, but it'd still seriously reduce the degree to which this shit has invaded our lives.
If artists get a break from competing against plagiarized AI slop, that's not petty vengeance.
Everything must be perfect!
No, these protections exist to maintain profits of large corporations. Copyright, patents, and intellectual rights were created under the false pretense that it "protects the little person", but these are lies told by the rich and powerful to keep themselves rich and powerful. Time and time again, we have seen how broken the patent system is, how it is impossible to not step on musical copyright, how Disney has extended copyrights to forever, and how the megacorporations have way more money than everybody else to defend those copyrights and patents. These people are not your friend, and their legal protections are not for you.
It wont do anything of the sort. Even if you accept the premise that somehow artists are being exploited from learning from their previous works, all that will happen is the AI companies will shift out of America to a juristiction that doesnt value extracting rents from IP above all else.
Still better than blatant theft
Abolish the abomination known as intellectual property
I hope both sides straight up die as a result of this
The end of the intellectual "property" regime
making infinite things artificially scarce
cannot possibly come soon enough
What was "intellectual property" should instead be paid up front by the people who want it
the result should be entirely unburdened of any sort of property, royalty, strings and DRM
ready to be infinitely broadcast and available to all
We're still going to want stuff and we're going to pay for it
We're not going to be vampirized by monstrous mice of the past
for 80 years after the author's death
now I'm off to piss, in Walt Disney's cryotank