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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago

He did this with federal funds. And the US hasn’t declared war since, what, WW2? The Rosenbergs were executed for treason, and we never declared war with USSR.

[-] Jordan117@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

The Rosenbergs were executed for treason

Espionage, actually.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know the legal definition of espionage but sure as hell seems like elons loyalty lies outside of the US.

[-] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Elon’s loyalty lies with Elon. It’s never been otherwise.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Rosenbergs were convicted on espionage charges. They were sending classified info to the USSR. That's different from treason although it's related. The funding angle is an interesting question though. It still wouldn't be treason, but it could qualify as... breach of contract maybe? Not sure exactly what the charge is when the government pays you for a service and you don't fullfill the service in a satisfactory manner.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Would this not be espionage? Or would he have to have been acting under the direction of a state actor?

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Espionage would require providing confidential intel to a foreign power. As far as I'm aware he didn't share any intel, merely disabled the internet service he was providing within key areas. Even then, leaking Unkranian intel to Russia while arguably espionage against Ukraine would likely not qualify. He would need to provide confidential US material to Russia (or another foreign power) for it to be espionage.

[-] Questy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Espionage can also encompass acts of sabotage, there are ways this could qualify if it was American forces affected. It's also a glaring example of why many countries maintain state share in major defence companies. No idiot scrolling conspiracy theories on Twitter should be able to not only breach operational security, which he clearly was since he knew the operation was underway, but also sabotage it.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

This was not sabotage, Ukraine was violating the terms of service of Starlink.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

He did not actually do it with federal funds. These were donated Starlink terminals and service was paid for by SpaceX.

That's the whole point, the US government allowed civilian technology to be used in war by a foreign government.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

He did this with federal funds

Apparently this was before he got federal funds.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Didn’t he get subsidies for spaceX and Tesla?

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tesla got some preferential loans in 2010, it paid them off by 2013. Now it benefits from buyers of any brand electric car getting subsidies... so, "kind of"?

SpaceX got government contracts for specific services... which could have been inflated or not, but didn't include Starlink (at least not officially).

This is different from direct subsidies like those given to Boeing, which also gets inflated contracts (see NASA's SLS), but in addition gets preferential tax discounts and lowered export taxes.

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