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The desire to carry water for American companies or European companies by excluding China is strange. Aus doesn't play that game. Trying to be protectionist on dead end ICE manufacturing capability will only serve to put them deeper and deeper into the grave that they want to share with the US.
I think that anybody who's trying to protect ICE manufacturing should take a hard look at what happened in China. They literally killed their ICE manufacturing with their new energy vehicle push. Absolutely gutted it. And they're reaping the rewards of doing so.
Chinese vehicles are built with subsidies and sometimes even slave labor to flood the market at artificially low prices.
When the west does it it's called freedom but when China foes it it'd called artificial tyranny.
So is it okay because the West does it too or wdym
Very simple concept. If 2+2=4 in China and in the West, then if a thing done in the West is "good" then the same thing being done in China must also be "good". The action, not the actor, should determine if a thing is "good" or "bad". Almost all news sources define "good" and "bad" subjectively (i.e. based on the actor) not objectively (i.e. based on the action and the result).
So are both of those things good or bad in your opinion?
It doesn't matter what my opinion is I'm arguing for consistency.
But you don't know if the person you replied to is being inconsistent
Source for that?
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinas-chery-byd-may-have-repay-subsidies-after-audit-finds-irregularities-2025-07-11/
https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2024/number/4/article/eu-concerns-about-chinese-subsidies-what-the-evidence-suggests.html
Thankyou kind human. Edit: I will go to hell for this but China having a car company called Chery, must cause confusion if the Ch is a Shuh sound like Chevy. Maybe the naming was on purpose to seem close to the American brand?
The tech and production capacity is good, there just needs to be stricter oversight because at this moment there are no other producers of low cost EVs and I don't really care if they're subsidized when the other players on the market are 15 years behind.
You should care where your money goes. Buying cheap Chinese produced cars results in your money being utilized to support Russia in the Ukranian war.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2090006/china-supplying-russia-missile-technology
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-firms-russia-body-armor-bullet-proof-drones-thermal-optics-army-equipment-shanghai-h-win/
either the government is subsidizing them below their value to squash competition or they're making money off of them but it cannot be both.
with that said fuck China for persistently siding with Russian authoritarianism.
American ICE manufacturers received way more subsidies than Chinese EV manufacturers.
oh noes please save me from the being offered the chance to buy modern, well built, and affordable EVs 😢
One more oversized gas guzzler for maximum price please. And shaft me on the services too.