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chuckles in universal healthcare
Yeah but you might have to wait on a list to get care while we get to instantly know we can't get care
Hey, don't short-sell your system. From what I hear you too usually get the pleasure of waiting several months.
The argument that everyone having access to doctors would mean people would constantly go in for trivial things or waste time so waits are so much longer has always seemed so silly to me.
I cut on and salt-water-soaked my severely infected toe (badly ingrown nail) for two months before I saw a doctor for it. And I had insurance so it cost nothing. Just because I didn't want to bother with going to a doctor.
People don't go to the doctor for fun, and amongst all the people I've known with great insurance, there have been considerably more instances of not going to the doctor_when they should_ than going unnecessarily (approximately zero times, actually).
So that tells me they want some people to not have access to needed medical care so they have access whenever they want, with lower wait times. It's like the people who hold the empty laundry carts while their clothes are in the wash.
I want to emphasize that insurance does not function to GRANT healthcare but to DENY it (as you pointed out). Doctors grant healthcare as providers. When they prescribe it, they’ve granted it. Then insurance steps in and says, “wait a minute.” Their only function is to deny medical care. Not pay for it - the patient does that through premiums etc. To deny it. So why do we need a healthcare DENIAL system?
The answer for why corporations need private insurance denials, is because of Hot Coffee, Bleeding Edge, Erin Brokovich - we could class action sue over the bad and contaminated products companies sell us, because it would be able to be detected. Flint, MI, was caught by testing a kid on Medicare - because they have access to healthcare. The FDA, USDA, etc should actually pay for Medicare for all to GUARANTEE their work in making sure products are safe imo. Why should I have to pay for the government’s failure to do their job? They should guarantee it and track it so they can do their jobs.
But corporations would lose money so they lobby against it. Gotta sell us that asbestos and lead somehow.
Sometimes you get care and you learn a year later that you can’t afford it and your life is over.
Unless you have like the best insurance that money can buy, we still have wait times in the US.
Coworker here in US had some strange neurological issues(vertigo among other stuff) and has had to wait months between visits to see a specialist. He's had to WFH several times because driving is dangerous. Of course along with the waits he also is spending thousands on the visit, iirc he almost hit his ~$6000 out of pocket max this year.
Omg do you have to wait on a list though. It's like years for some things in the UK.