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The parasites desire to return our lives to 19th century industrial revolution living standards where entire families lived in open communal basement spaces with only a broom closets worth of space to live in then immediately say your life is still better than the 19th century because at least you have hot chips, T.V., and a smartphone to doomscroll on.

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[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

“Workers owning the means of production” isn’t some blanket cure-all statement that you can whip out to answer any problem.

I should have been more transparent in that I was referring to socialist examples such as China where 70% (paraphrasing, could be 60 or more) is owned by the state who services and provides for the proletariat. I didn't mean it as a generalized "cure-all" statement. There plenty of solutions for those problems though when you have a highly efficient, quickly-mobilized state workforce able to lay down railway lines, highways and hospitals in a matter of months. Your example with Cuba is working with the sanctions and how embargoed they are. I'm sure they would have the amenities of plumbing in each private flat in apartment blocks soviet-style if they could but climate and the embargo prevents them.

which produces up to 50% of its food from backyard and municipal horticulture. In places where they don’t have access to products that have embodied exploited labor, they need to take the proportional inputs seriously, instead of just assuring themselves that they’re cheap enough.

There's nothing stopping this from happening in large socialist economies either; Plenty of people garden and have this kind of horticulture in China and even capitalist economies, I know I do. I don't disagree with you on this. Larger horticulture and personal agricultural projects are important!

It means examining and ruthlessly criticizing all of the conveniences and abstractions that the capitalist world has created. For instance, asserting that to create “a reasonably healthy society” you don’t need piped water on tap within 15 steps in any residence

After living in a household with multiple people and struggling with my intestines for a while, I don't think having two bathrooms in a five-six person household with multiple women is a "luxury" or "abstraction". Nor are those things "luxuries" and "abstractions" for the elderly, disabled or those who genuinely need privacy because of conditions.

you definitely don’t need to mix your solid waste into black water and pump it into an underground tunnel network when a scoop of sawdust is enough to keep it sanitary until it becomes fertilizer in 6 months.

There is a reason we don't use human feces as fertilizer anymore. The bacteria in human feces as well as the level of nitrogen in it does not render it as a usable solution. It can work on smaller-scale, sure, but any form of economy of scale renders it unsanitary it is more efficient/cheaper to use other fertilizers than clean human feces of detrimental bacteria. In order to have a highly concentrated density of people, you definitely need sewers and plumbing. I do agree there are better solutions for grey-water storage, though and I get where you're coming from. I have family who have lived in a commune.

Also, plumbing isn't just used for waste solution. There is plenty of industry that needs plumbing. You do not want to mix the things that come from industry with black-water into wherever you are recycling the water.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If we scroll up to the beginning of this discussion, I start out by saying "1 bathroom per 3 people is rather adequate", and I only start pushing to imagine even less when someone replies to me saying "that is not enough, a bathroom to person ratio of 1:1 is required". Yet somehow I'm the hermit advocate.

Idk I just think it would be a lot easier to not rely on redundancies that we survived for millenia without, and can easily conceive of doing without if we imagine a short distance beyond the scope of our civilizational norm.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

or if your lifestyle imposes a requirement upon someone else.

That was the one line I took an issue with and I was curious to see how far that line of thought extended. It's reasonable and I agree with you. I mentioned earlier that I have family who lived in a commune and despite being left-leaning they had certain "individualist" type mentalities and what could be considered early hippy "anarcho-communalist" ideals that consistently hard-lined against forms of socialism that didn't involve a Kropotkin-style approach, essentially.

Doesn't really seem to be that here and I get/understand more what you mean now. I didn't interpret what the other user was saying as 1:1 plumbing but yeah I don't agree with that either. A half bathroom with no bath/shower and a shower room is better than just one bathroom imo. Also don't see any reason why toilets can't be in the shower itself unless it's for those who struggle to use them.