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Nope. These people need to feel just as stupid as Trump voters in 2016 who subsequently voted for Biden after seeing the result. Given how many are still defensively showing up to post walls of text every time this is brought up, there's a lot of work to be done to overcome the counter-messaging.
We should absolutely do what we can to primary feckless centrist Democrats, and to push the party to the left, but that's not mutually exclusive with getting people to show up and not make the same stupid decision twice. We aren't going to completely fix our democracy in 2 years to the point that these idiots will be satisfied. We can make headway on making things better, but people need to vote for that to happen.
So to be absolutely clear: if you did not vote, this is what you voted for. That should be upsetting, you should feel bad, and you should make damn sure that you don't make the same mistake in 2026, 2028, or any other election as long as you live.
I'm not from the US mate. I'm just pointing out pretty obvious issues that maybe are easier to see from the outside.
But saying that if one didn't vote one voted for this is simply nonsensical. So people who didn't vote for Biden voted for Biden? Or did they vote for Stein? This is just playing with numbers and wishful thinking, conditioned by a two party system.
Also, I don't think it really matters, but I have voted in recent national elections to try and stop the shitbirds from getting to power where I can vote. (They got to power.) But I respect those who refuse to vote, or can't because the system is messed up and biased against them (voting on a Tuesday? How do you accept that shit?). You can't realistically blame people for not voting if you system doesn't even properly represent the "none of the above" option. That's just a messed up voting system.
Also if you think that's a "wall of text", I'm slightly concerned.
I won't feel bad about not voting for Kamala even if I were sent to El Salvador, or marched into a gas chamber. I made peace with that before I voted PSL.
Y'all fundamentally misunderstand us. You think we're simply misinformed, that we don't appreciate the threat, that if only we saw the facts of what the Republicans are like, we'd immediately see things your way. What you don't understand is that we do see the facts, we're just operating under a different ethical and political framework from you. The point of disagreement is not about the facts on the ground, it's about the best way to respond to them. So merely pointing to the awful shit the Republicans do has no chance of swaying, well, I can't speak for everyone, but certainly me, and anyone who thinks like me.