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Oof some tough questions for them (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by jackeroni@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It only makes sense if your conclusion is that, genetically, Russians just love attacking people. If you ignore the real, materialist explanation for events and substitute it with a deliberate refusal to acknowledge the actual causes, then you're only left with racism. Earlier, your only reason was "bullying," so if you really do believe it's a genetic thing then that checks out.

I'd love you to prove me wrong about that, though.

[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I was just saying that none of the members have got attacked by Russia and quite a few of the non-members have. Might be an indication of something. Not sure where you got genetics from tbh.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah, you know exactly what you're doing.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know how you got from countries and military alliances into genetic traits to attack other countries. Pretty big leap imo.

I've heard some .ml people call NATO a virus but I didn't think it was literal

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's pretty simple, I explained how and why Russia invaded Ukraine, and NATO's role. You never responded to that, and instead said Russia invaded Ukraine because it can only "bully" non-NATO countries. There's no materialism in your explanation, no underlying economic reasoning, just pure "Russia invaded Ukraine because Russians are evil" nonsense.

You've also been vaguely suggesting that western imperialism is a good thing, so that chauvanism tracks. Russia in your eyes is a "bullying country" and NATO in your eyes is an "anti-bully alliance," which holds no actual water.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was just saying that NATO countries haven't been attacked by Russia whereas non-NATO countries have, so it might be that the membership has maybe something to do with it.

I thought it was a simple point but you've since brought up genetics and good and evil into it, which honestly surprises me since I don't know where you got any of that

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It has something to do with the calculus behind the final decision, but not why it happened in the first place. You're free to reread my comments and JAQ off.