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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 104 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)
Simplicius: Israel Buckles as Iran War Shifts to New Drag-Out Phase

I have full access to this piece as it's free, and it's pretty long, so I will once again be summarizing.

  • Iran just concluded talks in Geneva with Western representatives and failed to reach a deal as Iran will still not end enrichment, will not end its missile program, and will not negotiate until Israel stops attacking them. Simplicius points out the hypocrisy of the West vis-a-vis Russia ("Russia must end hostilities and withdraw from Ukraine entirely, THEN we can negotiate! Israel, of course, doesn't need to do the same thing with Iran").
  • Iran keeping to its original aims is encouraging, indicating that they think an attritional war with Israel is likely to work. That they're bluffing is certainly possible but doesn't seem probable.
  • Iran has been taking significant damage, though with Israel reusing the same videos a lot, it takes a while to properly analyse things. Radar sites have been hit, and there are about 80 verified hits on Iranian ballistic missile launchers.
  • Simplicius doesn't know how many ballistic missiles Iran has (well, nobody except Iran really knows) but agrees it's somewhere in the low thousands (~3000, maybe more). Some sources claim 1500 have been fired already, while more precise graphs count 500 total launched.
  • Iran can produce up to 300 ballistic missiles per month according to Western estimates. As long as Iran fires 10 or less missiles per day, they can keep firing basically indefinitely without wearing down stockpiles for when they're critically needed (e.g. the US joins the war).
  • Israel's ability to intercept these missiles has been very degraded, so Iran could actually fire even less and achieve the same result. Iran could be thinking that they'll just fire ~5 per day and slowly build up stockpiles over the course of a long attritional war (months or years), even if they lose a couple missiles every day to Israeli bombing. We are seeing this in practice - that Iran is firing less missiles for the same overall result.
  • Iranian senior official Mohsen Rezaee has publically stated that Iran has fired "over 400 missiles" and "over 600 drones" and that "dozens of missiles have hit Israel", which seems to match the graphs carefully counting up to about ~500 missile launches. On the face of it, this means a ~75% interception rate for Israel, and that's certainly a valid way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that many of these missiles were very old missiles that were used to waste interceptors so that more advanced missiles could get through later, and Israel itself is admitting that its interception rate is rapidly falling.
  • Rezaee, back in March, stated that they knew that war with Israel is inevitable and was taking precautions. He says Iran's "missile capabilities" (a delightfully ambiguous word) were ramped up by 5 or 6 times. The most sensible way to interpret "capabilities" is probably "production". It's not clear whether this means production has been increased to the Western estimate of 300 per month, or if it's now substantially higher than that, but regardless, it's clear that Iran is following Russia's example, implementing a massive military-industrial campaign which dramatically outproduces the West.
  • He also stated that Iran, as a precaution, already removed its most important nuclear program materials to safe locations, so what Israel is currently striking is achieving very little. There are flashy images of precise missile strikes by Israel, but these could very much be striking empty facilities. And even the West admits limited effectiveness overall despite the precision; e.g. at Natanz there's only damage to electrical components, which could be replaced in mere months.
  • Trump delaying might point to a growing doubt that they could even destroy Fordow, but Simplicius admits that his words are hard to interpret given that he similarly lied about extending negotiations just before Israel struck.
  • Simplicius regards Israel to be on what is essentially a genocidal ponzi scheme - you start a conflict, it goes badly, and so to distract from it you start a new conflict, which goes badly, and to distract from that you start a new conflict, which goes badly, and so on. This strange strategy matches the rhetoric of some Zionists which apparently want to go for Qatar, Pakistan, and/or Turkey "after Iran".
  • This strategy is now causing very major economic damage to Israel. Some shipping companies, like Maersk, are refusing to go to Haifa, Israel's only operational deepwater/hub port (as Ashdod is too close to Gaza and Eliat under Red Sea blockade via Yemen). The airports are under lockdown, and Israelis are being forced to remain in the country.
  • Notable Israeli strikes on Iran have similarly declined, particularly as Iran is ruthlessly hunting Mossad operatives in a dragnet across the nation and is striking Israeli intelligence sites within Israel itself. The shock phase appears like it may be over, and we may now be in the attritional phase. Only US intervention might save Israel, but given Iran's options to counter the US both militarily and economically, Trump is right to hesitate if he isn't merely bluffing.
[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Simplicius regards Israel to be on what is essentially a genocidal ponzi scheme - you start a conflict, it goes badly, and so to distract from it you start a new conflict, which goes badly, and to distract from that you start a new conflict, which goes badly, and so on. This strange strategy matches the rhetoric of some Zionists which apparently want to go for Qatar, Pakistan, and/or Turkey "after Iran".

Isn't this kind of like what South Africa did close to the end of the apartheid regime? It definitely doesn't bode well for pissrael, and what I think is darkly funny about this is that, the way I see it, this is all actually on Biden. He was the first US president who didn't rein pissrael in when they started to get too genocidal for their own good. If it had been any other president they would've known better than to let the genocidal dog off its leash. Ironically, letting them roam free might have been what led the entity to its own demise, inshallah.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

By what metric are these conflicts "going badly" for Israel? Gaza is uninhabitable, Hezbollah has suffered serious decapitating strikes, Syria wasn't fighting back at all.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 12 points 20 hours ago

Simplicus seems to be referring to Israel's inability to cripple Hamas in Gaza, which is their primary objective. All the civilian deaths don't really advance that goal.

You could argue that depopulating Gaza will give Israel the upper hand in a potential future one-state solution, but I don't think they're seriously considering that possibility

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Syria is the only force so far that has been meaningfully defeated by Israel

it's not really talked about in the western media but Hamas is still regularly conducting strikes and ambushes inside Gaza, and that plus with Hezbollah still present albeit temporarily "pacified" (plus Israel's bizarre move of taking more land in Syria which only extends them further) means that Israel's armed forces are under quite a lot of strain, to the extent that they have to risk doing an unpopular conscription program of groups that have previously been exempt so that they have enough soldiers

Netanyahu literally started the strikes on Iran just before a vote of no confidence was about to be done, prompted due to the social breakdown of Israeli society caused by his unending wars

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

Radar sites have been hit, and there are about 80 verified hits on Iranian ballistic missile launchers.

It's actually only around 45 once you exclude duplicate footage and hits on decoys. I'll share the source on this information soon. A lot of decoys hit.

Missile production capabilities during wartime are unknown, especially with all the above ground manufacturing facilities being hit, from rocket fuel to carbon fibre factories. The 300 number is again one of those numbers that includes anything from an unguided artillery rocket to an intermediate range ballistic missile as a missile, with the range to hit Israel, most people estimated between 50-60 per month with the range to hit Israel. Russia is also not dealing with an enemy dropping glide bombs and JDAMs in their capital city, Iran is.

Around 500+ fired is correct, and interception rate is more dependent on how many missiles are fired per volley than anything else. The advanced missiles have seen quite a bit of use since June 16. Right now a lot of the less advanced missiles, the enlarged SCUD B derivatives like Qadr and Emad, are being fired. A lot of this is to do with range limitations than anything else. Qadr and Emad have the range to hit Israel from the centre and the east of Iran, but advanced missiles like Kheibar Shekan 1, Haj Qassem and Qassem Basir do not. Kheibar Shekan-2 and Fattah 1 do have the range, but it's unknown how many of these Iran has.

Notable Israeli strikes on Iran have similarly declined, particularly as Iran is ruthlessly hunting Mossad operatives in a dragnet across the nation and is striking Israeli intelligence sites within Israel itself. The shock phase appears like it may be over, and we may now be in the attritional phase.

While the move from shock to attrition is true, the internet blackout in Iran has reduced a lot of footage coming out of Iran. That's about to be over soon.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago

Finally some good fucking news

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wonder if Iranian missile production really is that high even now? 10+ ballistic missiles a day for a sustained period while you're being bombed isn't trivial. It certainly outpaces whatever the combined US/Israeli output of interceptors is.

What a time to be alive though, really. A large, ongoing war in the ME alongside the war in Ukraine? When was the last time the west was stretched so thin?

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With the new Chinese railway it's certainly plausible to me that they could get the materials to up missile production if China decided to sneakily send some their way (there was an article a little while ago about how China was sending enough of a particular compound that it could be used to make hundreds of ballistic missiles), but I totally bow to expert opinion on this one.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the missile bunkers might have production facilities inside them. Also, we have only seen a few reports of large secondary explosions consistent with Israeli strikes on ammunition or explosive stockpiles/factories.

Assuming the workers haven't fled or something there is probably a lot of production capacity for missiles remaining. At least until we see further air penetration into the country (possibly aided by American intervention via the East)

Presumably they have underground production going on? Almost a century ago Nazi Germany was producing up to 600 V2 rockets a month

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

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