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Important to note here that Donald lied repeatedly and vociferously that tariffs would not lead to price increases. (Getting this in before people come here to blame the voters.)
He has lied repeatedly and vociferously his whole life, and anyone with critical thinking capacity knows/has known that. There is a lot to blame for this situation, Trump voters and all non-voters should not be immune from accepting their share of it.
"Critical thinking"? What is that? Let me just ask Gemini...
The fundamental problem with American politics is that you've got a party of callous, narcissistic far-right lunatics slavishly loyal to Capital that only knows how to lie, cheat, and be corrupt as all get out while the news media endlessly runs cover and gaslights the country into believing they're actually quite moderate and reasonable.
And then you've got the Republican Party coming in to replace them and make everything worse.
This isn't a problem of "Critical Thinking". This is a problem of the Bastions of Liberalism electing Gavin Newsom as Governor of the West Coast and Eric Adams as Mayor of the East Coast. And these are your top picks for President in 2028. Meanwhile, the furthest left-wing voices in the party are so utterly buck-broken that they can't admit they've once again kicked several billion dollars towards genocide. The moderate liberals in the purple states are vetoing wildly popular legislation that kinda-sorta prohibits price gouging in rental unit markets. The party leadership fully embraces cryptocurrency as a rich vein of fundraising cash. The conservative wing of the Ds is full on TERF
Think critically about the current state of the American political establishment and what you realize is that you're boxed in. Everyone of note is bought and paid for. The population is fully gaslit by a consent manufacturing machine running on overdrive. The best case scenario for someone of liberal disposition is that the government simply ignores you. The worst case is that gestapo punch through your door and drag you to an overseas prison to be tortured to death.
Republicans are frothing at the mouth for more, more, more. Democrats only know how to shrug, pocket more donor money, and tell you that Biden would have fixed everything if you'd just voted for him.
That's why a total Revolution is the only actual solution. If the Democrats wanted to try reform they would be acting completely different. They foreclose that possibility
Total Revolution is difficult and requires a very active, committed group of supporters acting both within and outside the administration. Absolutely something you want to aim for, but often the product of generations of struggle.
You could, for instance, argue that the current Trump/DOGE government is a kind of (counter-)revolution that is finally overturning the Progressive Era of liberal democratic government. But this was a project that played out over decades, with each new wave of outsiders agitating and being rebuffed and regrouping to try again, while moderates on the inside cleared more and more space for radicals to infiltrate and overturn the New Deal and the Warren Court.
The deeply unsettling and grisly truth is that Democrats are as much a part of the Trump/DOGE government as the Republicans. Liberals demand a return to Clinton-Era governance and Chuck Schumer responds by posting taco memes while complaining about Trump being weak on Iran. They have been as much a force in moving our country towards fascism as the Republicans, through constantly splitting and vilifying the progressive opposition while holding out deceitful promises of reforms they never planned to implement.
Like, we're in the midst of a Revolution. It's just not the kind folks on this site want.
I'd love to see this same perspective voiced with equal indignation when Joe Biden campaigns with black people and pledges support for BLM, but then doubles down on militarizing the police once elected. (Among other outright lies.)
Absolutely not. If you want people to vote for you, you have to give them something to vote for. Despite knowing the deep unpopularity of Biden's presidency and campaign, the Democrats crowned a weak candidate (wait no, two weak candidates really) who promised to change nothing about it. If we're being reasonable here, one has to credit Democrats' outright stupidity and obstinance in the face of a base demanding real change.
Some day, maybe, they'll take responsibility for their own actions. Today is not that day.
Much like the Democrats who told poor people that they should, you know, just be joyful about it.
Then again, to take responsibility would require some introspection.
If you don't understand the concept of harm reduction, that's your defect, not anybody else's!
You voted for something much worse. You can try to explain it however you want, the facts are, you collectively over the years made it so your choices are meh and sometimes much much worse, and then voted for the latter.
You of course can blame whoever you want, deep state, establishment, democratic party (never republicans though, for some reason), but that would be the deflection. Up until recently, US had a shitty but semi-functioning democracy, and whatever is happening is a result of your collective chosing.
Joe Biden’s left testicle could be removed from his body, and it would run a better presidential term than trump
And this doesn’t mean Biden is a nice guy or represents something good, it’s just the less terrible option
Joe Biden was a genocide monster. The problem is that the entire Overton window of politicians the system will actually let get elected in America is composed entirely of genocidal monsters
It would be the first leftist in the Oval Office since FDR.
They're beholden to the same forces of campaigning and capital in a first-past -the-post system. If they wanted change that matters, their financial backers pull out.
So how's their strategy working out for them?
There are two groups at fault here:
The protest voters refusing to take the simplest action to prevent what is now happening.
The people who said "we're not going to try to change or improve anything because we're running against a literal dictator so it's not like we have to actually try to improve people's lives. What are they going to do? Let Hitler win?"
For the privileged classes, it's working out splendidly. For now anyway.
That, as they say, is a choice.
The modern horseshoe of leftists and rightest being okay to burn the country down if it does swing far enough on the political pendulum. This shit right here folks. If I don’t get my way, I’m gonna burn the whole house down. The future is so bright for all of us get to burning it you little pussy.
You say that is if the status quo isn't actively burning the country down
That dipshit's not "the left;" he's a troll. Real leftists held their noses and voted for Democrats.
While it was a lie. I don't think he thought he was lying because he literally doesn't understand 5th grade math.
I think a narcissist like Donald honestly never thinks he's lying, but you make a solid point.
Nah fam, blaming the voters.
Trump wasn't some "We never knew what he was like", we had him as president for four years, and yet somehow in four years we went through a fugue state and reelected him as a country. So... yea... blaming the voters on this one. ANYONE surprised is a mouth breathing idiot.
Is it not the voters fault though?
No, it's not.
It's the fault of the Democrats, who had an abundance of information about the unpopularity of Biden and his presidency, and then made a series of awful decisions about the presidential campaign, not the least of which being nominating a weak candidate who prioritized Biden's ego over appealing to voters.
You also cannot tell voters who've been getting poorer while you've ruled that you won't change anything, and definitely shouldn't tell them to be joyful about it.
Wow. You're in the same Olympics as the Republicans with these mental gymnastics.
Respectfully, you can try to gaslight me or cast aspersions, but my eyes actually function. Thank you.
Do they though?
Thank you for the vigorous discussion. I hope you have pleasant afternoon.
They’re booing you for telling the truth
It's the voters fault and the democratic party's
...and...
The opponent promised all kinds of things to voters who had been getting poorer, most of those promises were straight up fantasy, while others were distorted mistruths.
In your mind, do you think voters are free from have any responsibility for critical thinking? If a known liar is lying to you and you take action supporting those lies, should you be responsible when the lies are indeed shown to be lies?
This is the second time you've used this exact same language. Can you cite the source where you're saying Democrats told people they should be joyful?
If I'm starving to death, and the most trustworthy man in the world says "I will do nothing to help you" while the most dishonest man in the world (Donald Trump) says "I will shower you with more food than you have ever seen in your life" I'm going to take my chances with the dishonest man. Maybe the lie is how much but there will still be something. Better than a guaranteed nothing.
Except its not a "better than a guaranteed nothing". The liar didn't just not shower you with food, he stripped you of what little clothing you had left, and threw you out in the desert to die faster, and he even has a history of that, so its not like you didn't know the liar was capable of it.
Best case scenario with the honest man: he does nothing and I starve to death. Worst case scenario with the lying man: I starve to death anyway. May as well try changing things.
Sure, maybe I starve to death faster, but you give most people a choice between "100% chance you starve to death" and "99% chance you starve to death and 1% chance you don't" and they will take the 1% chance.
At least the lying man admits there's a fucking problem. "Everything is fine and nothing needs to change" was not a good strategy.
With the lying man, as in my example, you won't starve to death, you'll die from exposure long before you die of starvation. If you're seeing dying much sooner as direct result of his actions as an equal outcome, I'm not sure what to tell you.
He's not admitting there's a problem, he saying whatever he thinks you want to hear to give him your vote. This man stiffed his own employees and contractors on a regular basis. On what evidence in his entire life, did you arrive at the conclusion that rich donald trump wanted to do anything at all to improve the life of people like us? Not words. Actions.
We don't have to speak in theoreticals though. trump won. Are you glad he got voted in? Is your life better now? Or is this now worse than under Biden?
There's dying, or a 1% chance of not dying. These are in fact not equal.
Which to someone starving to death is a lot better than someone saying "everything is fine, keep the status quo".
Nope. I was spending time trying to argue with people to do the bare fucking minimum to stop this, and the Democrats did not help with their campaign of "lets change nothing because everything is fine."
Not an American. I'll be fine. I can just understand why someone who is desperate (which according to polls is over 50% of your population) could decide to vote for someone who says they want to fucking change things, instead of the people saying everything is fine and they will change nothing.
Por que no dos?
Why would we not blame the voters?
Ignorance is not an excuse. We should not normalize that.
They were told, repeatedly, by everyone, including every economist in existence, that tariff's would be a tax on consumers. They didn't listen, because they're fucking assholes.
This guy has already lied to them many, many, many times over. They didn't learn either because they're unbelievably stupid, or committed to hurting others so much that they chose to turn a blind eye to the lies.
Of course I'm blaming the voters.
I'm just wishing the voters all the "winning" that they voted for.
That's what I love about my fellow Americans: the willingness to unironically cheer poverty, authoritarianism, and fascism as long as the machinery of government appears to be directed at your perceived enemies.
Thank fuck I'm not American. You guys made your bed. You can rot in it.
Always love it when people double-down on a myopic, uninformed, and ignorant point of view. Thank you for sharing.
yawn You’re just an agitator
This ~~War~~ Tariff Will Destabilize The Entire ~~Mideast Region~~ Domestic Economy And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t
I mean, that's like claiming that he lied repeatedly and vociferously that jumping in the pool will not lead to getting wet. There is no way to believe that lie aside from deep, deep ignorance.
capitalism leads to price increases. tariffs taxes fees … all a part of capitalism