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Dollar Trees and Dollar Generals fuck over poor people. Those “cheater” sizes of cleaning supplies or similar cost more for the same amount of product, it’s just that if you are broke you can only afford the tiny ass bottle of laundry detergent or whatever in the short term.
It’s fucking evil. Dollar Generals destroy small towns - drive out competition and intentionally understaff their stores. You replace local grocery stores which might provide several jobs and keeps money in the community with a Dollar General that pays someone subhuman wages to do everything.
-Sir Terry Pratchett
It costs a lot of money to be poor.
So anyways, the rich got rich through exploitation of people. This comment leans towards the lies right wingers teach their children that Bill Gates eats homemade sandwiches and wears cheap sweatpants, therefore learn to scrimp and save, implying you'll be rich.
Absolute morons.
It implies literally the opposite, the rich literally buy more expensive products, and further is about a fantasy medieval society going through the beginnings of the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution.
This particular phenomena has been noted in more detail as a fact of economics, IE it's expensive to be poor, because the poor don't choose low quality products they have to buy them because they can't afford the larger upfront cost.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory
That depends a bit on the situation, I have seen some people from rich companies who learned things like in the quote from Sir Terry Pratchett, aka the cheapest is not always the best option.
Some people also got rich in the first place because they either studied hard and got to be a specialist earning hundreds of thousands a year for their job and others just came with the right invention in the right time, and we overpaid for it. You see that especially in tech where the costs where generally pretty low (especially bookkeeping wise since the original owner's hours are generally not added in the bookkeeping) and they sold it for a lot.
That's not the point Pratchett is making here. He is pointing to the fact that Vimes cannot afford the good boots. Ever. He explains there is no way for him to even save up for leather boots. It may also be worth noting that that character then benefit from having had bare soles and it becomes a kind of superpower to read the ground.
That said there is a big flaw in merotocracy, which is that the super rich have exponentially disappeared from that arena and owns the world now, and they don't stop harvesting more at the detriment of the planet while actually not doing anything with the money extracted.
Its worth making the distinction between the 'rich' and the 'super-rich'. The top 10% (in terms of wealth) own 70% of all US wealth, but then the top 1% owns half of that! So, relatively speaking, the 'rich' are poor compared to the 'super-rich'. No one makes it to that 1% without exploiting fellow human beings. Numbers source: Capital in the 21st Century - Thomas Piketty.
I didn't notice how different the sizes were until I stopped going for years (between 2020 and 2024) and came back to find products that looked ridiculously tiny compared to what I remembered. The covid inflation fest made it way too obvious.
I like to take virtual tours of dead/dying towns via Street View. The one constant is that the one main Street has one Dollar General with cars in the parking lot, on the outskirts of town. The proper grocery/general stores are all dilapidated husks 'down town'.
Not Just Bikes made a video about how American chains are just killing the US
It's a plague that has all but ruined artisanship and cozy stores in many western countries outside the US as well
Well yeah, but there is a difference in the US where Amazon is your best bet to get things quickly and cheaply while in Europe smaller stores can offer similar prices and often they also do next day delivery. Especially in The Netherlands
This is the only positive thing I can say about dollar general. I've lived in some brutal food deserts and really small towns but God dammit there will always be a dollar general somewhere nearby.
It's not great, or cheap. But man is it ever available.
I'm so glad the "cheap" stores around here don't sell tiny versions of products. It's non-brand name/lower quality or larger quantities to make them cheaper per volume.
For example my current toilet paper brand comes in four packs in the grocery store, with consistently good quality. The "cheap" store sell nine packs of the same stuff for 50% or so more, but you risk getting some that are slightly worse quality than the four packs. It's made in the same factory and is never bad, it's just that the second tier of quality control goes into the bulk ones.
Side note: I know people who have worked in/with soap facilities. And they mix, bottle and ship out dozens of brands. The majority of each type of soap, is made from the same base ingredients. Some are a bit watered down, lack pleasant scent, color or similar. But you can easily find soap that is at half the price of fancy ones, that work just as well(might need tiny bit more, but not enough that you lose money).
Soap is one of the most basic things you can make. It's just fat, lye, and water. It'd be like saying "each type of bread is made from the same base ingredients"
Essential oils, lye, and some kind of vegetable oil are fairly cheap if one is willing to go full crunchy and make their own. You just have to wait a few weeks for your soap to cure, and be really cautious with the lye because it will burn you.
Alternatively, bar soap is always better bang for your buck. I’m on Old Spice 3-in-1 because something I can squeeze out of a bottle let’s me be lazier, but when mega broke Irish Spring has saved my hide many a time.
Vinegar + old newspapers is a great window cleaner. Better than windex.
I make my own cotton dishrags with whatever cheapest/ugly cotton yarn is available.
But you can’t really beat Dawn for dishes or Tide for clothes. I’ve tried.
Yeah, dishes and clothes are often the exception depending on what off-brands you can find, because of the extra surfactants and softeners used. But for cleaning yourself and general surfaces most generic soap works exactly like the stuff that can cost several times as much.
I'll back up the vinegar in a spray bottle and free newspaper being the best for cleaning windows. The vinegar smell goes away in a couple minutes and it doesn't leave streaks.
It also works the other way around, if you choose to spend your money on cheap supplies (because you are shortsighted) it will cost you more money in the long run.
A lot of people need to learn how to use their money effectively, and budgeting can help for some.
There are no individualist solutions to systemic problems. Voting with your wallet is a lie, and ethical consumerism is a joke. You cannot fault someone who lives paycheck to paycheck, or people saving up for their kids' college education, or paying down their chemo debt, for buying at the cheaper store, which Dollar Tree typically is, compared to local operations. The only solution here is strict government imposed regulation, and going "no u" at consumers is counterproductive as it only serves as a distraction from the real problem.
Generally the slightly more expensive shit is cheaper in the long run that’s the thing. And some people choose to spend more money buying shit om Amazon/Aliexpress/Wish etc instead of buying something similar locally.
Not Just Bikes makes a great video how the cheaper options like Walmart are actively destroying America. Partially because they more their profits to a company outside the US and partially because they remove jobs.
But yeah, shit is hard to fix in corrupt countries.
I hear what you're saying, I really am, but please be aware that you're coming from a place of privilege, and that this kind of line hits just as tone deaf as telling a single mother working three jobs to feed her kids that "gee don't you know it's better to have a varied home cooked diet than microwave Mac and cheese?" Ultimately you're putting the blame on the communities themselves with this kind of argument, which plays exactly into the personal responsibility myth that places like Dollar Tree and Shell live on. You're distracting from actual solutions by doing this. It does the same as what carbon footprint and recycling do for oil companies, which is distract from real solutions.
Telling people to buy more expensive shit would work if there weren't gigantic swathes of the population who literally cannot . They can't do this. It is not possible. And then there's the part of the population that won't. It is not a solution. And Shell and Dollar tree understand this, and they welcome your free propaganda to distract from raising the minimum wage, corporate taxes, and enshrining workers rights. You're damaging the cause. You truly are.
Yea you are right some people cannot do that, but there are a shit ton of people in first world non corrupt countries who literally waste money.
Some people need to hear that buying the cheapest thing is the right to do when they don’t have a choice, but some other group of people need the financial advice to do shit properly.
Telling people that buying the cheapest thing is good for some, but financially hurting others who can afford to spend 5 bucks instead of 1 on a better knife or whatnot.
We can have a whole other discussion about raising minimum wage cause that will drive costs up in certain sectors even more. Government’s need to step in and increase minimum INCOME. UBI etc.
Edit: i have seen people waste money on terrible products when they could afford better. There is a group of people who has the money but never really learned how to save and spend it properly to get the most out if it. Buying plastic plates every week or so is way more expensive than buying an actual plate.
How did we get rid of the hole in the ozone layer? Did we all individually cut down on our individual halocarbon usage, saw the hole shrink, and all held hands and sang kumbaya? No, we listened to scientists, and we took action on a government regulation level, and we solved it. Now compare that to oil companies wrecking the planet. We went the individualist route there, and it's done nothing to solve the problem. You're even admitting yourself that your individualist fairy tale nonsense is a distraction! "We can have a whole other discussion about raising minimum wage" (emphasis mine).
Sorry but I don’t follow you.
But yes we should listen to sciencists and other experts.
The minimum wage thing I can explain, in companies where a big part of the direct cost is the wage of the people working there (the service industries like restaurants or accountants etc). Increasing the wage will also increase the price of the services (or goods) they sell. If costs go up they will either have to eat the loss, which is unsustainable or increase prices. Which is what a lot of restaurants have been doing especially since covid. Hence we are paying 3,5+ € for a beer here in The Netherlands.
A way to fix this is to give those people who need it suplemental income using social security. Same way as that the government here in NL pays companies money when they have somebody on parantal leave.
Another downside of reasining the minimum income is that in a lot of countries and or companies the higher wages are based on minimum wage. Often adding a certain percentage on top. So raising the minimum wage will also increase those.
I am all for everyone being able to afford all the basic plus have money extra for fun shir and that’s why I am all for an universal income, but I don’t dig the minimum wage income. However, minimum wage should increase at minimum with inflation until there is a UBI and then even that should increase with inflation.