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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ε, the base of the dual numbers.

It’s a nonzero hypercomplex number that squares to zero, enabling automatic differentiation.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Came here to say this, but since it's already here, I'll throw in a bonus mind-melting fact: ε itself has no square root in the dual numbers.

[–] DoGeeseSeeGod@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

As a not good at math person, advanced math sounds hella fake sometimes. Like almost a parody of math. I accept that it's real but part of me will always think it's some inside joke or a secret society cult for the lamest god.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of "advanced" maths comes from asking "What if this was a thing, how would that work? Would it even work?", so you could say there's a deliberate sense of "fake" about it.

Dual numbers come from "What if there was another number that isn't 0 which when multiplied by itself you get 0?"

Basic dual numbers (and complex numbers) are no harder than basic algebra, shallow end of the pool kind of stuff, but then not everyone is comfortable getting in the water in the first place, and that's OK too.

[–] DoGeeseSeeGod@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the info!

Puts on floaties and a brave face, then advances to the shallow end

What is the value in learning about "What if there was another number that isn't 0 which when multiplied by itself you get 0?"

Are there any practical applications IRL for dual numbers?

Edit: Screw Screw theory. Wikipedia says dual numbers have applications in mechanics and to see Screw Theory. I tried reading about it and my eyes glazed over so quickly. Math so isn't for me lol.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 1 points 23 minutes ago

Since there's a reasonably strong link to calculus, and mechanics as you've already found, it could theoretically help in physics simulations either in a computer or on paper.

As for practical application, well, emulating physics is pretty important in a lot of computer games, or getting robots (assembly line arms, androids, automated vacuum cleaners) around the place and to do what they need without accidentally catapulting themselves into next Tuesday.

How that's actually programmed might not involve dual numbers at all, but they're one way of looking at how those calculations might be done.

[–] november@lemmy.vg 1 points 14 hours ago

Complex numbers 🤝 Split-complex numbers 🤝 Dual numbers

All super rad.