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Support for Trump among Latinos plummets as many feel betrayed over scope of immigration crackdown
(www.latintimes.com)
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Oh darn! If only somebody had warned them about what would happen...
While I upvoted you, and we absolutely did tell them that. Many of them through no fault of their own weren't reached by the message. And that's something we need to figure out how to fix. Because with the consolidation of media and AI, this is only going to get worse.
Patting ourselves on the back about being right. Will only comfort us so much, when our lack of reach etc. Continues to haunt us
Sticking your head in the sand and/or choosing to only watch extremely partisan news is indeed “fault of their own”. If they can’t be informed enough to make good decisions, perhaps they should simply refrain from voting altogether.
That's an extreme misrepresentation. By being here, you're an exception. And you're judging them based on that. And this is the exact issue. They aren't choosing anything. Options like Lemmy etc simply aren't present to them. And that's the issue.
You found it, and that's great. Now figure out how to help normal people find it. And not driving them away.
I don't think that's an extreme misrepresentation. Trump himself told them exactly what he was going to do, so there was certainly at least some amount of head-burrying-in-sand going on. The main message that was present on Lemmy but not in legacy media was that "Yes, he is in fact going to do what he says he will."
There were two possibilities: either you thought he was a doddering idiot that wasn't going to follow through on anything he said, in which case why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president? Or, he was going to do exactly what he said, in which case, why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president?
The problem is that most of the people who voted for him were being selectively optimistic about what he would and wouldn't do. They let him be everything to everyone, and just hand-waved the glaring problems away.
I don't know how you can fix this massive self delusion issue without fixing education and teaching people to think critically, but education has been under attack for nearly as long as I can recall in the US.
That said, I agree this whole "I told you so" attitude isn't particularly useful, it certainly is cathartic, though.
I’m past the “I told you so” phase, however I’m also over everyone saying things like “they didn’t know” or “give them another chance”. As far as I’m concerned, they’ve got TWO viable options at this point in time:
Trump says vague shit all the time. Which that is a prime example of. He wasn't specific. But he did not say it in a vacuum either. The mass media did a lot to sane wash it. To imply that it wasn't as sweeping or horrific as it would actually be. And people believed them.
The mass media does not treat him as a fascistic man child narcissist. They shower him with undo respect and restraint. Thinking in some misguided Nevil Chamberlain sense, that appeasement will save them. Though to be fair plenty of them feel like they are in on it as well.
To deny that this is the case, that mass media has not failed us, that their failings to be informed are all on them and no one else. Is to dismiss them with the same touch that conservatives dismiss the poor the underserved and minorities. Simply by assuming they all have the exact same access and opportunity that we do. They don't. Don't be like conservatives and fascists. Yes people absolutely do need to do more to educate themselves. But we absolutely need to make it clear and easier to find proper sources to do that from and encourage them to do that.
When you make assumptions based on your personal experience you've already lost the debate.
Osho
I think Depeche Mode put it better. People Are People. So why should it be, we should treat each other so awfully.
Just remember. If you want to paint with a broad brush categorizing people as idiots. You are numbered with them. We all are. But I would still stand gladly with them shoulder to shoulder. Against any oligarch or Vanguard.
Are you talking about 5 year olds? Otherwise I’m pretty sure everyone we’re talking about was on the planet during Trump’s last term.
Wow it's awful Brave of you to put yourself out there as an example of the problem I'm trying to illustrate. Thank you for posting this. This is an example 100% of what I'm talking about. The same arrogance, ignorance, and presumption that everyone has the same experience as you. That therefore you are superior to them. You are literally using the conservative/fascist Playbook to ridicule and other these people.
I'm sure that will win them over to your side. Or make things better. Not.
that’s a grand stand you’ve put together. bravo.
I don’t care about winning people so disconnected that living through 4 years of horror didn’t convince them that 4 more years of horror wouldn’t be horrible.
It's funny to watch you attack them for being in an echo chamber they didn't seek. From an echo chamber you did. But I'm glad you can admit that you are dedicated to being the problem. And not the solution. It's in curiosity and ignorance like that that will help the fascists continue to win. It's just too much work to ask questions about how and why people behave the way they do. So much easier to just dismiss them as being less intelligent and informed than yourself. Just like they do to you.
What a joke of a comment. They absolutely sought out living in a bubble, the same as everyone else. Stop pretending like people are kids who don't pick and choose their news sources. We don't live in Russia or China where the government controls 100% of the media. Stop bullshitting us with this pity party.
I feel zero sympathy for any maga voter. These fucking people shit all over us constantly, call for us to be murdered and sent to prison, but now I'm supposed to feel bad for them? Now I'm supposed to help them?
They can go fuck themselves. They are adults, not children, who dug their own grave, and now they get to deal with the consequences alone like they always wanted to.
That's where we disagree. Media bubbles exist but the internet makes it so easy to find opposing viewpoints that failing to do so should absolutely be considered a personal failure. They'd rather believe a comforting lie than confront the truth and that is how shitty people live their lives.
The internet absolutely does that I agree. The problem is. That you think that everyone else is as terminally online as we are. And in that way you are as bad as they are. This isn't an accusation against you specifically or anything. I'm just pointing out how we can all ultimately do bad things unintentionally. By simply assuming that everyone else is like us.
You don't need to be terminally online to know that Donald Trump is a piece of shit. You're trying really hard to justify intentional stupidity. Empathy is good but you don't need to employ it to the point that you force a reason to let these people off the hook. In fact, I would argue that nothing will change until we all accept our role in educating ourselves. It's not anyone else's job to do that.
I'm not the one here trying to justify anything. That's you. You're the one here trying to pull off some ridiculous conspiracy theory where more than half the voting population are either mentally handicapped or evil in order to justify your 2 minutes hate.
Simply unwilling to acknowledge that the majority of people still get all their information from the mainstream media. The same mainstream media that we call out here on a daily basis for being tepid spineless and inaccurate in their coverage of everything including Palestine. The same mainstream media that has given Trump and Republicans far too much undue deference and respect. Propping them up. It's not that you can't understand the people who voted for Trump it's that you don't want to.
The fact that you could be on Reddit or Lemmy and claim that you are somehow not terminally online is especially hilarious. Being on either of those is absolutely terminally online. Brother we both are. You just lack the self-awareness. And that's the problem.
you choose not to engage with the political process
it’s not anyone else's job to save you from your own choices
Choosing not to engage is implicit consent. The largest voting block in the United States are the ones that don't. There's a reason they try to disillusion and disenfranchise people into not engaging or voting. It serves the purpose of the people who are the problem. Not the people who aren't voting. And at some point other people's problems become your own. So while it isn't your job. It's a good idea to keep things from getting that bad.
you can lead a horse to water
honestly I do blame the democratic establishment for doing fuck all beyond making themselves rich but it is a citizens responsibility to be i formed and part of the political process, if people are doing neither I have zero sympathy for them when they fuck themselves over
But Trump promised* he wouldn't!
*Not promised, but strongly implied.^†^
^†^By strongly implied, meaning "at least left open the possibility."^††^
^††^Except for the times he said the opposite thing.^†††^
^†††^This was every time.