MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.
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Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether it be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users, as it handwaves their extremism.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post, rather than engaging in arguments that lack mutual agreement.
Brigading — If you're here because this community was linked in another thread, please refrain from voting, commenting, or manipulating the post in any way. This includes alt accounts. All votes are public, and if you are found to be brigading, you will be banned.
Tankies can explain their views, but may be criticised or challenged for them. Any minor infraction of the rules may result in a warning and possibly a temporary ban.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically last only 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction doubles the duration. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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Defederation needs to be considered, honestly. I don’t want to be separated from their userbase but the extreme level of censorship is just toxic at this point.
A major code fork needs to be considered as well. There was a Java rewrite that started in good faith, but that would never appeal to many admins, I am afraid.
The biggest issue I see is that all of the support for Lemmy is basically centered around .ml and potential admins have to wade through a sea of ideological stuff to get support.
Cross-instance bans are a thing as well. What I mean is that non-tankies will get ml instance banned for comments in other communities on other instances. (Me. But whatever.)
Admins on other instances have to treat lost tankies with kid-gloves or they will get banned on ml and lose support, I speculate. (I am not an admin and am not aware of any specific cases like this. It's hypothetical.)
It's all a shitty situation.
Wait can you elaborate on cross-instance bans? I haven't heard of this. How and why does it happen?
First, it is bad wording on my part. Sorry.
If admins from ml don't like comments you make on other instances they can, and will, ban you on ml if you have ever participated in any community in ml. For example, this is the list of bans that happened to me due to comments on another instance. (While this is within the rights of any admin to ban for any reason this is a bit uncouth, IMHO. Then again, I usually don't hold back with my opinions. Whatever.)
Oh gotcha I misunderstood what you were saying.
If you have an account on .ml they can ban you from posting on communities from sopuli.xyz
Are you sure? https://lemmy.ml/c/lemmy_support seems free of ideological stuff.
A fork helps literally nothing in any ways. They are not injecting the code with their politics...
The amount of funny comments I get from Lemmy.ml in neutral instances would be missed though.