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Yes, the Catholic Church is anti-trans, but you have to understand that trans people are just like everyone else, they are subject to the same influences and pressures as cis people, and they come from the same backgrounds - from religious families, from conservative families, etc.
While trans people in the U.S. form an alliance with lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, two-spirit, and intersex individuals - this does not mean every trans person accepts the label "queer" or thinks of themselves that way, let alone how they think of other trans people. There are many self-hating trans people, and lots of trans people who hate other trans people.
Caitlyn Jenner is a Trump supporting Republican who went on Fox News to deliver anti-trans remarks about a trans athlete.
Blaire White is a Trump supporting Republican who makes a living supporting right-wing and anti-trans talking points on YouTube.
The Log Cabin Republicans are mostly LGBT+ folks who are Republicans, and they show up to support anti-trans legislation, like in the recent California vote to ban trans athletes.
I think you have to understand that labels like "queer" and "LGBTQ+" are political identities, and lots of people who are descriptively queer based on their sexuality or gender identity refuse to identify that way for political reasons. Some people remain closeted and hiding, but other people are open about their sexuality and just don't connect the dots between their sexuality and the political struggles of people with those sexualities, refusing to identify as gay or queer and instead just insisting they're "straight" even while openly engaging in queer sex.
Sure, it boggles my mind too, but it's unfortunately very common. I think a lot of this has to do with the dominance one identity has, like one's identity as a conservative or as Christian, over another, such as one's identity as a queer person. When those conflict, it's not surprising that sexuality or gender identity are not always the winner - especially in cases like Christianity where the religion can have a hold on your entire life (your job, your spouse, your whole family, your entire community - everything might depend on a religious identity like that and it's very difficult to escape). This is especially the case for a binary trans woman who transitioned so young and can live as a cis-passing woman, there might be very little visible about her trans identity at that point, making it easier to live as a conservative Catholic.
If you read the rest of the comment they’re not saying that being gay is inherently political. Queer as an identity is definitely political, it stems from activists reclaiming it in the 80s and 90s. The “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” chant didn’t come out of thin air.
Using queer a synonym for gay or lesbian is a great way to shove your foot in your mouth by calling someone queer when they don’t identify with that term.
I don't understand your response, why is acknowledging the political aspect to contemporary Western queer identity upsetting to you? I'm just trying to explain why queer conservatives might not identify as "queer" or "LGBT+" - because of their political associations. It's similar to how conservatives might remain in the closet about their sexuality.
No, they're right. Lots of people hate the labels and being labelled as such, they just want to be seen as the normal person they are. It's not normal to be labelled. In my experience, they are the quiet majority and they just want their sexual preferences to be out of the forefront of stranger's minds, defining their social identity. It's actually pretty fucking creepy and weird.
Some people voluntarily do want the label. That's fine, it's their choice. It's not fine to involuntarily assume for others, though. Respect is something that takes the back seat to narrow-minded assumptions that ironically goes against the best intentions. In a respectful society, there are no labels and people are just people. Unfortunately we are still Neanderthalic so social and political labels, categories, etc. still exist and are assigned, for no purpose and with no consent.
Most people don't care and want to be left alone. But there are still idiots out there that care about which toilet they can go in or which toilets others can go in. One day our society will be rid of these people and concept like LGBTQ+ will be ridden of too, because people are just people and toilets are just toilets. A person's identity shouldn't be defined by their genitals and what they do with them. Labels and adheration to that is just creepy and weird.
So, yeah, many people you consider LGBTQ+ are against the whole concept of LGBTQ+ and you shouldn't assume for them or look at them as "that thing" and slap a label on. We can be so much better than this.
Also keep in mind the Catholic Church is not a monolith. Plenty of practicing Catholics disagree with the church on one doctrinal matter of another. Plenty of Catholic women use birth control. Most Catholic couples are probably not virgins when they marry. A Catholic church is not going to physically throw you out the door if they know you're a trans woman. If you showed up to mass dressed like you were going to a pride parade they might toss you out. But if you respectfully go there and fit in with the vibe of the place, they'll let you practice. The worst that might happen is a particularly conservative priest might refuse you communion. But most priests would rather have a "flawed" parishioner in the pews than throw them out on the street. The whole core idea of Christianity is supposed to be that we're all sinners. Most churches would happily let a literal murderer in the door if they confessed their sins and had paid their debt to society.
As far as why anyone would do this? Why not leave the Catholic church for a more affirming congregation? People like churches for all sorts of reasons. Some just like to worship in the high mass style found in Catholic churches. They like the robes, full choir, formal procession, and the otherworldly aspect that Catholic mass often embodies. Some like that the Catholic church places more emphasis on good works than most protestant churches. Some just like the idea of being part of an institution that has been continuously operating for nearly two millennia. For many, especially if they were raised in the church, sticking with it, even if you don't see eye to eye on everything, is preferable to switching to a liberal protestant church. For many, it's "my church, right or wrong." They would rather stay Catholic and push for the church to reform than to leave the church all together.
If Christians followed the core tenants of the Bible then we wouldn't be in this mess. Fucking Evangelicals.