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Quite possibly the best answer to the Putin talking point (and therefore, Trump's talking point) that he's a dictator.
A dictator would never offer to step down. I hope the people see it for what it is. We all know Putin will be unfazed and continue anyway.
Not good logic regardless of whether you think Zelensky is or is not a dictator. A dictator might if the terms he demanded for it were those that both parties of the conflict had already ruled out.
Making an impossible ask is hardly a sign of being reasonable or truly willing to do a thing. If I tell you I'll give you ten million dollars but only if you can settle the mess in Palestine with the the "israeli" state and the Palestinian people permanently I'm not seriously offering you ten million dollars, my ask is impossible. No one would say it's a good faith offer on my part.
Trump's team has acknowledged NATO is not viable and doesn't even want to commit US troops in the event of a ceasefire (something Russia refuses anyways), preferring it be a Europe problem and Russia categorically will not accept Ukraine in NATO. This is a FACT.
This conflict started over eastward NATO expansion, one of the primary, if not the most primary goals of Russia in their fight is to stop Ukraine from becoming part of NATO and stationing western weapons/troops there near them.
Russia is winning and the support of the US is waning. They are not going to accept having spent all that treasure and blood and taken all these sanctions and in the end not get their primary goal just to get Zelensky to step down for another person who hates Russia.
Trump will acknowledge any fucking thing Putin says you absolute simpleton.
A loser petulantly asking for something he isn't going to get, in exchange for something that's going to happen any way.
It's not going to happen anyway, Ukraine can't join NATO while they're a Russian forces in the country, as that immediately triggers article 5 which is obviously not something NATO want to happen.
Let me clarify.
Zelenskyy is out of a job as soon as the war is over. That's going to happen anyway. NATO membership is something he isn't going to get.
He's not getting peace, ever? Or what are you insinuating?
It's obvious to anybody with even a minimally functional brain that Ukraine won't join NATO and will be divided between US and Russia now.
I guess the EU means nothing to you now.
Lol the EU isnt even invited to negotiations. The US doesnt need their lap dog, they can speak for themselves.
Which is exactly how much it means to everyone else as well
I'm gonna be shocked if the EU is around in a decade. The economic situation in Europe is dire, and nationalist parties are gaining ground all across Europe. The liberal parties might hold them back for an election or two using coalitions, but eventually they will get in power as the standard of living continues to collapse. And there will likely be all kinds of ladder pulling even before that happens.
He's implying that he will lose power anyway and is trying to use that as a bargaining chip by offering to step down. (I don't agree, I'm just interpreting)
He's not getting NATO membership and he is already on his way out as soon as the US decides so, surely you see that?
Like Hitler won his war right?
I'm once again begging liberals to learn about any war other than WW2
Or learn about that war in the first place. They think Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor was a documentary.
I assume you're comparing Putin to Hitler? So, how would WWII have gone if the US stopped fighting Hitler?
Much better. The US wouldn't have had time to reward every single Nazi they could find with a job.
The same way it did except for the division of Europe in halves.
So you're saying the USSR would have subsumed all of Europe? I could see that.
Do you think the military capabilities of Europe are up to fighting off Russia without the US? I don't see it.
The Ukraine war is basically over at this point. Zelenskyy has zero negotiating power.
Russia won't do anything.
There's a massive wall of article 5. Ukraine in NATO was a red line. We tested the waters, the Ukrainians paid for it. It's easy to fuck around and find out when it's not your children who get sent to the frontlines. All because Shell got scammed into investing in shale reserves that never existed. Lol, now we're left holding the bag, the Ucranians have lost an entire generation of young men and the US is now the 4th reich. I'm more worried about jingoism from the yanks than Russia doing anything. They could barely penetrate a Ukraine with its pants down. (pun not intended)
Oh I didn't mean to imply Russia is going to do anything - I mean Europe doesn't have the capabilities to fight a proxy war in Ukraine. If the US is dropping out then the war is over, there was never anything else keeping the war going.
Yes, pretty much. However, Europe did try as much as it could to avoid the war. Macron and Scholz were pinponging to Moscow to stop the war. Meanwhile genocide Joe and BoJo in the back room boycotted any attempts at a peaceful resolution.