Background: Weeks prior to the violent escalation of the protests, the CIA maintained a network of informants among the student protesters as well as within Chinese intelligence services, which it used to monitor the situation.[9] . The CIA actively aided the student activists in forming their movement, providing them various equipment including typewriters and fax machines according to a U.S. official.[9]

[+] barsoap@lemm.ee -6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Oooooh typewriters. Did they also send pencils? Other things that the protestors could get themselves, or do without? That could have come from other places if the CIA didn't supply them to their moles, to distribute? How many pencils did the protesters use that were not procured through the CIA?

The whole colour revolution thing is a KGB myth. Populations cannot be influenced like that, it's just not how social dynamics work. It's a power fantasy they never managed to implement for themselves, but believe the other side has, because they're that kind of paranoid.

In any case: Yes, the students were Dengists. Is, or is not, Dengism a Chinese political stance. One that wasn't exactly extraordinary in the days, and still the foundation of much current policy. Did the CIA come up with the modern stance of the CCP or something or what do you want to imply.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The whole colour revolution thing is a KGB myth.

You are basically denying the CIA exists. To which I counter: "The CIA exists."

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I acknowledge the CIA exists. What I deny is it being all-powerful. The CIA is not god, it cannot achieve aphysical results. I hope that's not controversial.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The CIA is not god, it cannot achieve aphysical results.

Yes, the CIA proved that by failing this color revolution. The populace did not fall for the CIA playbook and there was no massive civil war. Only a small riot. Keep in mind this is nothing like the Kent State massacare where the American police actually massacared peaceful unarmed protesters. These Tiannenmen rioters burned army officers alive.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

These Tiannenmen rioters burned army officers alive.

...which is not the same people as were on the square. Those were Peking locals, not students, barricading the side streets so the army could not get to the square, while (other) Peking locals had previously informed the army that the people on the square weren't counter-revolutionary insurgents but their sons and daughters, good Dengists, because the hardliners in the party had conveniently omitted that part from the marching orders. You can find lots of pictures of people handing bowls of noodles to soldiers in tanks, those are of that. The army had its orders, though, pushed through the barricades, that's where the casualties occurred, arrived at the square, then told the protesters to GTFO or else, orders from above. The protesters chose GTFO, hence no massacre on the square. Don't expect me to side with the hardliners giving those marching orders, they were not the ones saving the day, the Peking noodle brigade was. And I'd actually expect even lemmygrad to not side with them either because their views do not represent current CCP positions. Like, for one, private enterprises exist in China, the hardliners wanted none of that.

Also I have no idea why you're going on about a massacre in the US right now. They're having one at least once every fortnight, business as usual. Did you mistake me for a Yank? Whataboutism looks really silly if you don't take proper aim.