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This is going to be the weirdest part of any history book. People reading and trying to understand why the US suddenly turned on and invaded their close ally of Canada in a failed annexation attempt immediately after watching Russia struggle a similar (though less surprising) annexation of Ukraine, which the US helped fight against.
Not that weird, since we've had similar things happen in Europe in the 1930s. I'm mostly wondering, what's going to be Canada's Stalingrad.
Fort Erie.
Not even going to lie, the Great Lakes will quickly become Canadian territory if Trump tries to make serious on his claims. Most of the folk in my region love Canadians more than we do people in other states.
Hmm probably hamilton. A lot of steel mills. If they come up through st Catherines, and hang a Reich to Toronto they would have to go through hamilton first.
I don't foresee them making it past Fort Erie, tbh. But, that would be one of the more logical choices to try, so I expect Trump to instead try to invade Sunnyvale Trailer Park.
They better not touch those god damn cute kitties. Build a shopping cart wall that will impede them.
The US army is much larger and better equipped than the Canadian army. And the US has about 10x the population of Canada and most of the population lives within a few dozen miles of the US border.
Also who is to support Canada with arms to defend against the US invasion? China? Russia? Because South Korea and the EU would first need to purge all the US bases they have.
I think US vs. Canada would play out very different than Ukraine vs. Russia. Could end in a long and bloody incursion, but for the conventional side of things the US would steamroll Canada at first.
Getting in would be a piece of cake, yes. Holding it would be so increadibly hard though.
Over 80% are against annexation. How much police officers/soldiers would be needed to keep the peace? Socially it would be a nightmare to integrate. Canada would probably retaliate with sabotage and guerilla tactics to shut down key infrastructures.
US government would have to deal with a good portion of its own population not to mention NATO and the commonwealth members states. They could support Canada militarily, but even if they don't there would be strong pressure and irreversible diplomatic and economic consequences. What if China and/or Russia use this as an opportunity to weaken USA while it's busy hitting its own allies?
I just don't see it happening and being profitable in any shape or form. It would be a useless costly mess and needless bloodshed.
Who's to support Canada? Sane, freedom-loving Americans.
Honestly, Canada is a terrible target from a guerrilla warfare perspective. We have vast areas of emptiness that locals are familiar with but are dangerous if you don't know how to survive there, many pocket communities that could easily hide insurgents and weaponry, lots of farming, which means lots of nitrates, a populace that can easily disappear into the American general population, and enough of an identity to not want to be absorbed by a different culture.
I don't think we could stop America from invading and occupying, but we could make Vietnam look like a walk in the park. So, who's up for another couple decades of occupation?
I think of we invade Canada, we’ll be fighting two fronts…the other will be from within.
Holding a country that doesn’t want to be held, that no one else wants you to occupy, is very different than winning it, as the US and other countries have repeatedly learned.
And the unpopularity at home would make Vietnam look like nothing.
No, it would be a disaster for the US. A very different one than Ukraine, but maybe even worse.
What % of the US army would be happy to obey an order to invade Canada. At what level if seniority? What justification could be given to sure up the troops?
The same could be asked about the Vietnam invasion, the First Gulf War, Iraq invasion, Afghanistan invasion... From my perspective none of these had any convincing reason to give to the people, still Vietnam lasted for almost two decades. The occupation of Afghanistan also lasted two decades and there is still US troops in Iraq.
If push comes to shove some bullshit reasons will be made up and i don't trust the US executive to not obey. They are also letting some mid twenties kid fuck up the treasury system to hide payments being made or not made. And this is directly risking their own salaries.
Nevermind that Canada has more than a few MAGA supporters/fascists in our military, so can't count on 100% support from them.
US citizens...
That will be kinda hard, with US citizens shooting at their backs.
I meant insurgency, not incursion. My bad. I think we are agreeing on what would happen.
Well, except the part about steam rolling into Canada... Because US forces will have US citizens shooting at them while they attempt to enter Fort Erie, or Niagara Falls.
Assuming that the US takes the most strategic point of entry, which I kinda doubt... Like they'd instead do something stupid like invade via Alaska, which I feel would have less pushback, in numbers, but a better armed citizenry fighting them on both sides.
Alaskans love hunting with AR-10s.
If they had any brains, they'd create a salient by using the fifth column traitors in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Very little would hold them back in Maple MAGA country. They'd have both provinces in short order and then work on defending them.
A bit like Hitler making a beeline for the Russian oil fields before he got distracted with taking Stalingrad because of "symbolism" or some shit.
that was the default convention in all the wars the USA has fought and lost in thevlast 40 years
Has the US fought anyone even near parity since WWII? Its a big army but it has a hard time defeating guys living in tents and caves without resorting to carpet bombing.
Which is very different to Russias invasion of Ukraine in 2022, where after first quick gains that got repelled, things bogged down in a slow war of attrition.
With life time of insurgency.
There’s this thing called NATO
Until the NATO countries have removed the US soldiers from their soil, most of the populated area of Canada would have been occupied already. There is around 100.000 US soldiers stationed in Bases in Europe. They need to be captured and disarmed first, before any forces can be send to defend Canada. That will take weeks at least. The US has the largest navy by far. Breaking the US naval blockade will take months if not years.
An US invasion of Canada will mean months of war in Europe, before any chance of European troops getting to Canada.
Unless the EU prepares quickly to kick out all American soldiers as well as build up a stockpile of anti-ship weapon, building jets and ships ourselves will take years, there is no way EU countries can come to the aid of Canada in time.
I'm not sure any US strategist is willing to face the fallout of open war involving all of Europe. But then again, when has Trump ever cared about his advisors
We are truly living in interesting times