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Did an Old English speaker write this?
I'm fairly sure that I've read some articles by this guy on Forbes before, because I remember that he had some article on something, many years back, that I really liked and I distinctly remember thinking that his thumbnail looked kind of frumpy. I believe that he's British. Looks like he hasn't been at Forbes in almost a decade, though.
kagis
Yeah, was apparently born in Torquay, England.
https://www.timworstall.com/2008/07/about-tim-worstall/
EDIT: Also, a "ton" and a "tonne" aren't the same thing -- that's not just dialect. A "ton" here in the US means a short ton, 2000 US lbs. A "tonne" is a metric ton, 1000 kg. I don't know what Brits normally mean if they write "ton", whether it's a short ton or a long ton or metric ton. In the US, we'd normally write "metric ton" instead of "tonne".
Kagi is a for-profit website that charges people money to use their search engine.
Stop advertising for them.
Advertising does not belong on Lemmy and I will point this out every time I see you do it.
Calling that an advertisement for Kagi seems a bit hyper reactive to me. I think they're just including it as a source along with the info for transparency's sake. I appreciate it for the context it provides.
If they didn't explicitly do it every single times, and often italicize it, I might agree.
And then they wrote some ad copy for why Kagi is better than DuckDuckGo to me afterward because they decided (for some reason) that this was about which search engine was better, as if I gave a shit. Which, again, advertising.
Well yeah, italicizing it denotes that it's the title of the source.
The "ad copy" was just them explaining why they personally like using Kagi, after you called them out for it.
With all that said, I think you'll just end up Streisand effecting it in the end if you call it out over and over. 🤷♂️
Do people italicize the word Google when they "google" something? I sure as hell don't and I have never seen anyone who does.
Lol now we're going to debate and call people out over their post syntax and use of italics? Is this what belongs on Lemmy? I guess it's funny content in a way...
To begrudgingly answer your question, no I do not usually notice people italicizing titles in casual news aggregator comments. I do however notice it done in professional journalism. Neither of the cases trigger me either way.
Professional journalism? You mean the thing that's usually paid for with advertising?
Ok man. I get it. Anything that costs money is bad. Let's never speak the name of any for profit company or business as it may give them free advertising. Thank you for keeping us all safe.
Why do you think this is about safety and not just wanting there to be one space on the internet where people aren't shilling for corporations?
It was a joke, mate.
I briefly looked through user tal's comment history, and found that they also italicized Google as a source of info in another comment. Does this mean they're also shilling for Google? Imagine how pissed Kagi would be if they found out...
Maybe people shouldn't promote either corporation this way? Or is that beyond the real of possibility and we should just accept that corporations will use people like this with quiet dignity?
Back to my original comment, I just don't see how it was intended as a promotion. It was supportive to the comment to add context to the information contained thereof. It was literally one word in a long comment. No hyperlink. On top of that, most people don't even know what Kagi is and there was no discernable effort to introduce or promote it.
What about that makes you so sure that they're being used by a corporation? Should they have just listed the source as "internet search engine"?
If they "shill" for a not for profit search engine will you call that out as well?
Because... they are? Free advertising is free advertising even if that isn't the intent. Just like everyone who 'googles' something is being used by Google as free advertising.
Of course not. Did you entirely miss my point about this being about capitalism or are you ignoring it in order to argue?
So by your logic, if I post information I found on Wikipedia and list it as a source, cool. But if I find information on Yahoo and list that as the source, then I'm shilling for capitalism and must be called out?
So yes, you are deliberately ignoring that despite me literally saying:
Sorry, the alternate Flying Squid who you pretend exists isn't here.
I'm not ignoring it. It just seems disingenuous. To me, it comes off as, "hide the source if it comes from an entity that makes money, because someone may be accidentally advertised to. Reduce context in order to avoid supporting a profitable entity. Professianal journalism is bad because the journalists get paid via subscriptions or ads. Fuck them for wanting a career in journalism."
I hate ads as much as the next guy but realistically, how are they going to support themselves. Should I not post The Guardian articles (hope I'm not shilling here) since they make money to pay their journalists?
Yes, I think we do have to accept that mentioning a company's name can have the effect of keeping them in the public consciousness, but so long as they exist and provide services that we interact with, we are going to need to refer to them somehow.
I agree that actual shilling is bad, and is something I do not want to see here, but I just don't understand or agree on your criteria for shilling apparently. At best, it could have possibly been shilling. But then by that same logic, it would apply to such an enormously broad range of conversation. Now we're just walking talking shilling machines.
And then you want to call it out every single time? With no reasonable proof that they were intentionally shilling? I just think that's going too far.
You:
Me:
You:
You literally asked me if I would do that. I explained very clearly to you that I would not, and you did not accept my answer.
You are not talking to me in good faith.
Lol likewise.
I am talking to you in the best of faith I can have with someone that seems like they're harassing people that in my opinion are just here providing good content. It seems ridiculous. I wanted to make my opinion known. I have no agenda I'm trying to push. I don't work for kagi or google, or any other company that would benefit from something like this.
If this is going to devolve into a deposition on whether I'm talking to you in good faith or not, then I think we're done. I'll be on the lookout for any possible shilling.
No, you're talking at me. Because if you were talking to me, you would accept more than only the yes answer to a yes or no question. But you only accept yes.
Ok cool. Apparently nobody likes being called out, do they. Welp, I accept your answer, and since you act in such good faith, I won't be surprised to see a disclaimer from you on any post or comment that contains the name of a for profit company here on Lemmy because it's likely shilling. They will feel your wrath!
What nobody likes is being called a liar because they answer no to your yes or no question.
You're free to comment every time if you want. I have no intention to change what I am doing, because I happen to like them, and my use of the term predates my use of that engine -- I wrote googles prior to this.
If you want to ban me because you cannot tolerate my writing style, do so, and I'll go use communities other than those you that you moderate. Trying to harass me into changing what I write is not going to have an effect.
Yes, I understand you think, "hail corporate!" is a good thing, as is giving a corporation that would happily fuck you over in a second like every other corporation free advertising, and "I gave a different for-profit corporation free advertising before now" is a weird excuse to continue to do it.
Too bad there aren't any non-profit search engines you could promote instead of the one that charges people money in order to make a profit.
But yes, I will point it out your "hail corporate!" shit every time because advertising does not belong on Lemmy.
If I remember from prior discussions, you prefer Duck Duck Go. If you want to mention that you use Duck Duck Go, I have no problem with that. I think that that's great.
I think that Kagi has considerably less-incentive to do so than Duck Duck Go does, because they have a viable revenue model that doesn't involve datamining me the way Google does or showing ads to me the way Duck Duck Go does. Yes, you can use an ad-blocker on Duck Duck Go, but then you're offloading the costs onto other users who don't do that, and in the long run, Duck Duck Go has an incentive to block users using ad blockers.
You may disagree with my assessment. But I've made that decision, I'm happy with it, I like the fact that Kagi added a Threadiverse search feature, and I am not going to change search engines to your favorite search engine, nor do I intend to stop telling people that I use Kagi.
You do not remember from prior discussions because I have no "preferred" search engine. Also, DuckDuckGo is just Bing and either you did not do your due diligence to learn that or you think I'm ignorant.
And I really do not care about your "hail, corporate!" excuses.
When you advertise a product on Lemmy, you are spamming and I will keep pointing it out.
Sigh. Judging from the votes, at this point it's just "I see Flying Squid, I ~~upvote~~ ~~downvote~~ ~~read what they have to say~~ ~~fail to read what they have to say~~ ??? ~~profit!~~ ???
Actually, is there a copycat account "FlyingSquid" with no space, or did you have to make a new account? I'll keep an eye out, if it's the former.
I did not make a new account and I will do that, thank you.