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[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Ah, yes, so we've gone from insisting that Dems support something they will openly tell you they oppose, to pure scolding. This didn't work a month or so ago, I don't know why you'd expect it to work now. I'd love to support Dems. They need to make it a worthwhile effort.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Then watch as the GOP causes the death of your loved ones, raises your taxes, tortures people on basis of ethnicity, and deregulates markets

Because you just dont feel like the dems are committed enough.

[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

There's that scolding again, only this time it's far more desperate. It always seems to devolve to this with libs, just start threatening people when you can't defend the Dems' shit policies. Do you think that gets people to vote? Because it doesn't, it just makes you sound like a sanctimonious jerk.

I voted blue this election, in spite of the uninspiring and frankly lousy campaign they ran and the paucity of meaningful change they promised, and in spite of Biden's disappointing administration, his facilitating a genocide, and his lack of any effort towards healthcare reform. I did that because the GOP is worse.

United Health alone gave the Kamala campaign 700k, look it up. Kamala made it quite clear that her campaign did not support universal healthcare. Then just a little over a month after the election, we have a stark reminder that it's wildly popular and that people on all sides of the aisle desperately want to see change. The Democrat party could have harnessed that energy, and likely won. But they didnt. Because they don't want universal healthcare, and the sooner you accept that the sooner you can help us demand more from them.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm sorry that basic logic is just sooooo scolding for you. You're feeling so scolded right now, poor thing.

Oh and BTW, Kamala Harris' healthcare plan was to expand Medicare to All Americans and the elimination of Private Health Insurance. Of course that means fuck all without 60 votes because presidents do not control that at all.

Wow that 700k out of their 5M USD lobbying total really went a long ways, huh?

[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Kamala Harris' healthcare plan is to expand Medicare to All Americans and the elimination of Private Health Insurance

In 2020, when she dropped out of the primaries before any votes were cast due to abysmal polling, yes. In 2024, when she had an actual chance to become POTUS, no she did not. You know that her campaign website is still up, right? You can look this up yourself. Talk about "basic logic" lmao.

Like I said, I voted for her. Let me ask, when can someone who votes blue criticize the party? Not during an election, oh no, that would drive votes to the GOP. Apparently not after an election either, judging by your behavior in this thread. So when, in your esteemed judgment, can one ever demand more than "being marginally better than the GOP?"

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Her campaign website is still up let's go read it right now: LINK

As Attorney General of California, Kamala Harris took on insurance companies and Big Pharma and got them to lower prices. As a Senator, she fought Donald Trump’s attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

Vice President Harris will make affordable health care a right, not a privilege by expanding and strengthening the Affordable Care Act and making permanent the Biden-Harris tax credit enhancements that are lowering health care premiums by an average of about $800 a year for millions of Americans. She’ll build on the Biden-Harris Administration’s successes in bringing down the cost of lifesaving prescription drugs for Medicare beneficiaries by extending the $35 cap on insulin and $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket spending for seniors to all Americans. Her tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act gave Medicare the power to go toe to toe with Big Pharma and negotiate lower drug prices. As President, she’ll accelerate the negotiations to cover more drugs and lower prices for Americans. As Vice President, she also announced that medical debt will be removed from credit reports, and helped cancel $7 billion of medical debt for 3 million Americans. As President, she’ll work with states to cancel medical debt for even more Americans.

And Vice President Harris has led the Administration’s efforts to combat maternal mortality. Women nationwide are dying from childbirth at higher rates than in any other developed nation. The Vice President called on states to extend Medicaid postpartum coverage from two months to twelve: today, 46 states do so — up from just three near the Administration’s start.

Oh look at that, cancelling medical debts and making healthcare a right, not a privilege. All of her plans listed are things she could have actually done as president and things she actually did do as a senator, so it explicitly excludes healthcare for all because: once again, this wacky tangent you've thrown us on means fuck all because you need a Senate Majority to end privatized healthcare and health insurance.

So elect a Dem supermajority and we will have single payer.

[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So clearly you did look it up. Go ahead and point to where, specifically, it discusses single payer. Calling it a "right, not a privilege" is rhetoric. The actual plans mentioned do not discuss single payer. You see this, right? That these aren't the same things?

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Go ahead and point to where, specifically, it discusses single payer.

I specifically already mentioned that in my comment, where I specifically explained to you that PRESIDENTS DONT DECIDE THIS. SENATE DOES.

[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah and I'm saying that a Dem supermajority will not magically do something that Democrats have made clear that they are not interested in doing.

Kamala's plans are not destructive, but they would treat a symptom and not the actual disease. That's not nothing, that's why I voted for her, but it's not sufficient either.

Presidents don't decide this unilaterally, but that doesn't stop them from supporting it. Kamala doesn't. Dems don't.

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