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The 2024 US presidential election had been widely characterized as one of the most consequential political contests in recent US history. Although turnout was high for a presidential election – almost matching the levels of 2020 – it is estimated that close to 90 million Americans, roughly 36% of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. This number is greater than the number of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

More than a month on from polling day, eligible US voters from across the country as well as other parts of the world got in touch with the Guardian to share why they did not vote.

Scores of people said they had not turned out as they felt their vote would not matter because of the electoral college system, since they lived in a safely blue or red state. This included a number of people who nonetheless had voted in the 2020 and 2016 elections.

While various previous Democratic voters said they had abstained this time due to the Harris campaign’s stance on Israel or for other policy reasons, a number of people in this camp said they would have voted for the vice-president had they lived in a swing state.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
  1. There are quite a few more people in the article than the summary - I bet you’d also spot a bunch that give invalid reasons
  2. If your single issue is the atrocity in Gaza, both support that so it is not a valid decision. If you believe Trumps words, he’d make it worse.
  3. Your vote always matters, even if it’s the lesser of two evils. Even if it didn’t affect the results this time
[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You didn't comment on the article, you responded to my point on a singular common justification.

Trump and Harris both support the genocide making (theoretical) me uncomfortable voting for either. If my vote might matter, then I would hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil. If not, then I'd rather signal my disapproval of both.

Saying that my vote always matters is a nice cliche, but you know perfectly well that in a bunch of states it's just not true. If my vote put Harris over the top in Illinois, it's an absolute certainty that she got destroyed nationally. So, even if my vote mattered, it wouldn't matter that it mattered.

If the only real consequence of my vote is an impotent signal of approval, then not voting is an impotent signal of disapproval. That matters just as much, if not more.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Trump and Harris both support the genocide making (theoretical) me uncomfortable voting for either.

Theoretical you and a bunch of real people just didn't give a shit about the fact that Trump is going to add domestic genocide to the agenda. Theoretical you was told directly by Trump himself that immigrants were "vermin" and "criminals" and he was going to get them all on the track to deportation on day one. Theoretical you should have taken a few seconds to put two and two together and realize that means concentration camps and anyone with darker skin being suspected.

But even if theoretical you is one of those darker-skinned people, you thought, "well he's not going to put me in a ~~concentration~~ deportation camp, so I don't have to worry about that while there's a genocide happening on the other side of the world that both candidates support."

It's pretty fucking heartless of theoretical you and all the actual people who didn't give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves, but liked to pretend they cared by pretending that the one genocide was the only genocide.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm certainly convinced that you are a Democrat. I can tell because you ignored what I said and gave the rant you wanted to give, completely oblivious to the fact that none if it applies to what I said. You can't get any more Democratic than that. Scolding voters is not a great strategy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

As long as you are "certainly convinced," the truth doesn't matter now does it?

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You're ignoring the fact that this person clearly would have voted for Harris if they were in a swing state. Harris did not lose Illinois and this person got to avoid getting blood on their hands via voting for perpetuation of genocide. That sounds far more ethical and rational than just knee jerk voting no matter what.